No advantage to leaping

Out in Left Field said:

...In addition, they want to make the sport grow because many countries don't have it, same as men's FP, they are a small sport. Inside the US, we do not have that problem with women's FP.

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Not too long ago you were on a soap box waving an Aspen Institute Editorial claiming that the sport was in steep decline? Now you state that is not the case? Did I miss a shift in the wind?

GunnerShotgun said:

Ok but how much more speed are we talking? 10 MPH or .02 MPH. You are just guessing. And the term you are looking for is Ground Force Reaction (GFC) and not kinetic energy.

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Mike White said the levels of the game increase in increments of 2-3. As in the difference between good and dominant is only 2-3 mph for a pitcher. So if something gave you 1,2,3 mph of speed then it can put you on a new level of competitiveness.

And in all the assumptions being made has anyone researched the difference in speed and perceptual speed? OILF touched on this in regards to facing a pitcher who is 60mph at 43 feet vs 60 mph at 35 ft. Most other sports study and utilize PS. It was Dr Tom Hanson, Ken Ravizza that turned me onto this info. You cant argue their references and history in the sports world.

Someone brought up the yips recently-Tom Hanson is the guy you call when you get the yips-he wrote the book on it.

Generally, there are five types of speed:
•Perceptual Speed
•Mental Speed
•Initiation Speed
•Performance Speed
•Alteration Speed

If something can affect anyone of these in a positive manner it is a game changer.

Ill just say it-theres a lot of ignorance being recycled here. there is actual research on this topic.

And to say a indoor pitcher leaps because they pitch indoors a lot and bang up the toe......more ignorance. Reread your statement with a clear head. And please explain how their mechanics are so poor that they bang their toe?

Using your logic of your limited sample size I can say my DD and her 6 friends pitch indoors 5 months out of the year and never bang their tow but leap. My sample size is greater than yours so I win......that's the kind of arguments Im reading here. Funny huh

OK, I'll give you the mechanics end of the argument even though I do think there is an advantage.

What about the release being that much closer to the batter reducing reaction time?
A reduction of reaction time has the same result as a speed increase.

Anyone want to do the math on a 65mph pitch released at 36' versus 35' with a hop/leap?
Lets assume the batter will make contact at the front of the plate. That means the 36' foot pitch travels 34.58' before bat contact and the 35' pitch travels 33.58' before bat contact. The 1' less travel has to have an impact on reaction and judgment of the batter. Right?

Why don't we conduct our own study? OK- on the count of three, we all take a flying leap

cuzmail said:

OK, I'll give you the mechanics end of the argument even though I do think there is an advantage.

What about the release being that much closer to the batter reducing reaction time?
A reduction of reaction time has the same result as a speed increase.

Anyone want to do the math on a 65mph pitch released at 36' versus 35' with a hop/leap?
Lets assume the batter will make contact at the front of the plate. That means the 36' foot pitch travels 34.58' before bat contact and the 35' pitch travels 33.58' before bat contact. The 1' less travel has to have an impact on reaction and judgment of the batter. Right?

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Bingo-Perceptual Speed.

JJsqueeze said:

Why don't we conduct our own study? OK- on the count of three, we all take a flying leap

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My flying leap study
No leap 6'
With flying leap 7.2'
Now spending the rest of the day taking advil. Should substitute beer in place of advil after lunch, but DD has a middle school game today.

Seriously- we should try it with and without a drag and see the difference for ourselves. If I don't post again someone please call 911.

ouch- I don't know the distance but I started and landed on the same lines on my floor. I my have replanted a little on the drag trial though.

damn- woke up my wife, she thought they were starting to shell at camp Pendleton.

JJsqueeze said:

ouch- I don't know the distance but I started and landed on the same lines on my floor. I my have replanted a little on the drag trial though.

damn- woke up my wife, she thought they were starting to shell at camp Pendleton.

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If you woke up your wife, you might be safer over where they're shelling!

cuzmail said:

OK, I'll give you the mechanics end of the argument even though I do think there is an advantage.

What about the release being that much closer to the batter reducing reaction time?
A reduction of reaction time has the same result as a speed increase.

Anyone want to do the math on a 65mph pitch released at 36' versus 35' with a hop/leap?
Lets assume the batter will make contact at the front of the plate. That means the 36' foot pitch travels 34.58' before bat contact and the 35' pitch travels 33.58' before bat contact. The 1' less travel has to have an impact on reaction and judgment of the batter. Right?

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If my math is correct:

MPH
65

Feet per second
95.33333333

Feet / Reaction Time
43' / 0.451
42' / 0.441
41' / 0.430
40' / 0.420
39' / 0.409
38' / 0.399
37' / 0.388
36' / 0.378
35' / 0.367
34' / 0.357
33' / 0.346