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Jun 17, 2009
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Contracting muscles create an eccentric force (not the same as eccentric contraction) to bone that it is attached to... which causes the bone to rotate about an axis at the joint. The length of the force arm and the amount of force determine the torque. If you look at the last 1/4 of the circle... which is what I was writing about... the extension that occurs in the elbow - as we head into release, is due in part to a contraction of the triceps. When the triceps contracts, the force it produces creates torque at the ELBOW JOINT... which, believe it or not... creates an extension at the elbow joint... which is one of the reasons the tricep is known as an extensor. There is also a large amount of torque applied to the posterior shoulder areas DURING internal rotation... that act in an attempt to stabilize the musculature... so that the arm can continue to efficiently move along it's path... AS WELL AS provide deceleration mechanisms... which are required of the upper arm in order to accelerate the lower arm. This piece would tie nicely into your most recent thread.

To a considerable extent, much of this applies to a swing as well.

Curious ... in your opinion, wouldn't this description also describe what was earlier referred to as "forearm fire"?
 

javasource

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May 6, 2013
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To a considerable extent, much of this applies to a swing as well.

Curious ... in your opinion, wouldn't this description also describe what was earlier referred to as "forearm fire"?

Absolutely, there are lots of similarities... that is, IMO.

As far as forearm fire... nah. Sure, you could say the extensors in the triceps are highly active... but in an actual pitching motion, so are the biceps (which are flexors). I view firearm fire as an effort more towards hyper-extension... or "elbow-snapping" (ahh... that brings up some fond memories on here...). ;) Phil's demonstration was what he thought (thinks) was/is correct... and I'd go so far as to guess it was/is his physical interpretation (albeit incorrect) of a pretty kick-rear thread on this board.

When you've IR happening up top, and pronation happening down-low... you've an entirely different beast. To me, this is simply extension... with zero 'rotating' parts:

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Apr 5, 2009
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NE Kansas
Moment of inertia

Edit: This is probably a very boring video and I question how helpful it will be to many however; I think it's kind of cool, and it helps explain some of the physics behind much of the practical advice given by the top PC's. Even if it only helps one. :)

This video has a ton of good information which can relate to pitching. Speed, spin, stability. The comments section below the video has a lot of additional info to help provide a greater understanding.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uyU25DdONjo
 
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