Auburn Hop

[turnin2]

Please answer my question... where does it say at contact?

I'm sorry? Where does it say that the pic was taken "at contact?"

Originally Posted by FiveFrameSwing View Post

At contact.

http://www.collegebaseballdaily.com/...d-in-baseball/

 

[turnin2]

Please tell me who sync'd this clip? It looks like it is missing a frame or possibly two. Why don't we have one of Pedroia hopping at contact? In this gif, when opened in quicktime and advanced frame by frame, it looks like Pedroia touches the ground when the ball hits the catcher's glove. I am not sold on this clip you are providing.

Earlier in this thread I posted a sync'd video displaying this.

Here, I'll repeat it for you .....

 

[FiveFrameSwing]

Please tell me who sync'd this clip? It looks like it is missing a frame or possibly two. Why don't we have one of Pedroia hopping at contact? In this gif, when opened in quicktime and advanced frame by frame, it looks like Pedroia touches the ground when the ball hits the catcher's glove. I am not sold on this clip you are providing.

Hmm ... you question if the video is sync'd correctly ... suggesting that you may be capable of seeing reality.

As for the video ... I marked up what Rdbass provided. There was no modification to the sync. Since I've studied this before, I can tell you that it is legit.

Face it, what you promote ... the guessing/anticipation right up until impact, is exactly what the Auburn coaches do not want.

 

[FiveFrameSwing]

Please answer my question... where does it say at contact?



Originally Posted by FiveFrameSwing View Post

At contact.

http://www.collegebaseballdaily.com/...d-in-baseball/

Turnin2, the question that I answered with “At contact” was from your earlier question of …. “Not sure what your picture is showing, but based on the outfielder in the background, does it look like that picture was taken at contact?”

You didn’t like my answer. I’m perfectly fine with my answer … mainly because I’ve studied this before and came to the same understanding then as I do now.

What you claim to teach is what these folks do not want. You teach to anticipate right up to bat/ball impact … and these coaches are clear that they do not want that.

If you read the article then you will see that they claim that Dustin Pedroia performs the same type of hop as performed at Auburn … and if you review the ‘Auburn Hop’ you will learn that they expect the fielder to be at peak height at about bat/ball impact.

Depending on your experience or background, this can seem odd. I get that. It can also make perfect sense.

You are fighting the concept. That is fine. It is not for you … at least not at this point in time. For now, continue teaching what you are teaching. Auburn will continue un-teaching such teachings … and for good reason IMO.

My interest in this thread was to highlight what was being taught … and to offer enough detail so that folks could understand it and test it out.

 

[turnin2]

You constantly avoid directly answering questions and you also try to manipulate your replies to try and tell the board what posters teach or promote for your agenda. It's old. How do you know what I teach? I simply had questions to your original post. I would love to take a poll here to see if others can tell that you side-step questions and manipulate the posts for your agenda.

I didn't like your answer because your wrote "at contact" and provided a link. Nowhere in the link does it confirm it was taken at contact.

I have studied this too. I have video footage of my boy that I used to teach him about reaction time that is several years old. I don't think you can get an accurate reading on the timing of the Pedroia hop with a video that is probably at 30 fps... you need a high speed camera.

I'll go back to the one poster's comments from page 1... let's see how the fielding percentage changes for Auburn.

My original comment is that I would not be comfortable being at my highest point in the hop at contact. I am still not convinced after your posts.

You said: Depending on your experience or background, this can seem odd. I get that.

This is what I am talking about. Your sentence is telling everybody that if you don't believe than you are inexperienced...

Hmm ... you question if the video is sync'd correctly ... suggesting that you may be capable of seeing reality.

As for the video ... I marked up what Rdbass provided. There was no modification to the sync. Since I've studied this before, I can tell you that it is legit.

Face it, what you promote ... the guessing/anticipation right up until impact, is exactly what the Auburn coaches do not want.

 

[FiveFrameSwing]

You constantly avoid directly answering questions and you also try to manipulate your replies to try and tell the board what posters teach or promote for your agenda. It's old. How do you know what I teach? I simply had questions to your original post. I would love to take a poll here to see if others can tell that you side-step questions and manipulate the posts for your agenda.

I didn't like your answer because your wrote "at contact" and provided a link. Nowhere in the link does it confirm it was taken at contact.

I have studied this too. I have video footage of my boy that I used to teach him about reaction time that is several years old. I don't think you can get an accurate reading on the timing of the Pedroia hop with a video that is probably at 30 fps... you need a high speed camera.

I'll go back to the one poster's comments from page 1... let's see how the fielding percentage changes for Auburn.

My original comment is that I would not be comfortable being at my highest point in the hop at contact. I am still not convinced after your posts.

You said: Depending on your experience or background, this can seem odd. I get that.

This is what I am talking about. Your sentence is telling everybody that if you don't believe than you are inexperienced...

LOL … 30fps isn’t good enough for you.

You appear to be in denial. Everyone else can clearly see that the fielder is near peak height at approximately what would be ball/bat contact.

Good that you have studied this. Consider studying it again with more of an open mind.

I am really surprised to hear the coach say (0:20 mark) you want to be at the top of the hop when the hitter makes contact with the ball. I wouldn't be comfortable being in the air when contact is being made. Also, this removes the ability to anticipate. I would think you would want to land as the ball reaches the plate?

The intent of “the hop” is to remove the ability to anticipate to the point of leading to a premature false move … and to instead be well prepared to take advantage of an athlete’s reactionary ability to respond to real data.

This below, is simply bad advice. This is exactly what the coaches at Auburn are guarding against with their coaching.

You can tell by the hitter's barrel position and pitch location where it is going to be hit. That is anticipation. Just before contact.

If this is what you teach … then IMO it is bad. It is exactly what the Auburn coaches are attempting to eliminate with their teaching of “The Hop”.

 

[RichK]

"any anticipation of where the ball is going to go happens before the pitcher starts" -- from the Auburn video.

i assume this means batter evaluation/history, pitch count, perhaps pitch call.

why is this data more/less valuable then the anticipatory data turnin2 is talking about, such as actual pitch location or bat angle? either there should be no anticipation or real-time anticipation, I would think.

there was a comment the swing must be reactionary. of course great hitters look for pitches and work zones all the time, which is anticipatory and at times unreliable data.

does the Hanson Principle apply to fielding? of course it does. do the best fielders in the world do the Auburn/Pedroia hop? in the way Auburn does it, ie a third basemen flat-footed and then hopping in place?

i like a lot of what the hop gets you as a fielder. but I'm not sure why the additional "data" that turnin2 is advocating is discredited because coaches at Auburn say so in a YouTube video. I'm very interested to learn more about how other fielders -- the world's best -- approach their ready position.....seems like an area worthy of study broader then one college program's take on the matter....

 

[FiveFrameSwing]

RickK, a hitter that is zoning, or narrowing their focus, should still be reactionary.

Whether hitting or fielding, any false move ruins/degrades/retards/hinders one's reactionary ability.

 

[_MIA_]

I think it is a question of probabilities/percentages. I think you do give yourself an some advantage by anticipating so now it is a question of weighing
this improvement vs. the probability that one guesses wrong and the overall effect of this wrong guess. In this sort of analysis it seems to me that corner infielders and/or less experienced
fielders would probably benefit the most from the hop.

 

[FiveFrameSwing]

I think it is a question of probabilities/percentages. I think you do give yourself an some advantage by anticipating so now it is a question of weighing
this improvement vs. the probability that one guesses wrong and the overall effect of this wrong guess. In this sort of analysis it seems to me that corner infielders and/or less experienced
fielders would probably benefit the most from the hop.

It isn't a question of anticipating ... that happens. The question for some is "when" in the sequence.