Wow...DD's HS team seems to be struggling academically

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Jul 19, 2014
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Madison, WI
I can see their point, that the coach should've done this a bit more discretely. OILF thought the coach would've been fired in her district, but that is HER district, not yours.

Let me play Devil's Advocate here, si'l tu plais. (Remember, I am in favor of the coaches pushing the kids to do better in school).

One thing they noticed at my kids' HS, and this is NOT uncommon, is that kids who participate in sports tend to do better than the kids who do NOT participate in sports. One reason is better time management, another is that there are very strict rules. For example, the AD requires every kid to get every teacher to sign what they call a "Tuesday Report" (since this is done on Tuesdays) to affirm that the kid is going to class and doing the homework.

There is a wide variety of socio-economic backgrounds in Madison. Some are families that came to Madison so their parents could teach at one of the local colleges or work in a high tech field. Others are families that came to Madison from Laos or the south side of Chicago so their kids wouldn't get shot on the way to or from school. Some are in-between.

Kids of certain socio-economic groups tend to be more active in some sports than others. For example, when DS was on the freshman track team, he had friends who were from the lower socio-economic backgrounds. Not that these were necessarily dumb kids. One of his friends, from a Hmong refugee family, had a full-ride scholarship at Harvard lined up. Other kids were really struggling just to keep from failing school.

When DD #1 was on the school freshman softball team, the socio-economic distribution was different.

I could see that, at your school, the kids on the team could all be from the sort of socio-economic backgrounds where it wouldn't be THAT big a challenge for the kids to do that well at school. and should be expected.

That does not mean we shouldn't have high expectations. I've taught in colleges in some places where some people fear to tred. I used to teach classes in the South Bronx (Eugenio Maria de Hostos Community College) and in Crown Heights (Medgar Evers College) on the same day. And, I pushed my students. I remember one young lady, who was VERY upset because a professor refused to push her class, saying it would "frustrate" the students. I told her I was going to push her, and make her work hard. She said: "You'ld BETTER!" (She earned an A in that class).

But, we must choose our battles, I remember a few cases where I considered it a great victory for a student to get a C, or even a D.


OK, Devil's Advocate time over. If the students on the team are all students who SHOULD be getting those grades, the coach is right to push them to get those grades. If not, then that is a very different story, and she should probably go by the normal school athletic rules.
 
Sep 24, 2013
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Midwest
I find that the lazy attitude of the students occurs in some teachers as well. And we are a family of teachers.

DD spent more time following up on assignments turned in and grades than she did on homework first semester freshman year. It took a "if I miss an assignment due to it not being graded, lost again, or still in the inbox but I have an Incomplete Coach is going to be here wondering why I cant play. "

I think the expectation has always been low at home and now the expectation is just as low in the classroom. My players are frequently told its their responsibility to pass the class-I get that but if the teacher takes no ownership or responsibility then are they setting the expectation example themselves AND setting the students up to fail.

So its both sides of the equation IMHO failing our students-parent, teachers, and students. If no one sets an example anywhere what do the kids have to follow?
 
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Jul 16, 2013
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Pennsylvania
This is a relatively new concept to me... Do I understand it correctly, now in school, you take a test, and if you're not satisfied with your grade, you have the option of retaking the test? This is how my DD and DS have explained it to me. WTF?! You get a redo? If this were around 40 years ago I'd have had NO problem with school.

I have not heard of this in my area either. But then again, my DD is a good student, so it may be taking place and I just don't know it. I am just curious what the carry over would end up being in the sports community down the road. Batter is up with bases loaded and two outs. Batter strikes out. Will she be able to ask for a "redo"? ;)
 
Feb 15, 2013
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Delaware
I have not heard of this in my area either. But then again, my DD is a good student, so it may be taking place and I just don't know it. I am just curious what the carry over would end up being in the sports community down the road. Batter is up with bases loaded and two outs. Batter strikes out. Will she be able to ask for a "redo"? ;)

Isn't that what they get in tee ball though? Swing until you hit it. Same in pitching machine or coach pitch. Plus everyone gets a trophy. So yes don't be shocked when a player strikes out and stands there shocked she doesn't get another try.
 
Jul 16, 2013
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Pennsylvania
Isn't that what they get in tee ball though? Swing until you hit it. Same in pitching machine or coach pitch. Plus everyone gets a trophy. So yes don't be shocked when a player strikes out and stands there shocked she doesn't get another try.

I guess our small community has not yet caught up with the rest of the world. Thankfully ;)
 
Oct 11, 2010
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Chicago, IL
I don't allow retakes.

DD’s school district changed this a few years ago and I am not sure what the rules are. Like if you get a C, IDK if you can retake the test. If you get a D, I know you can. I do not think the teacher has any say in it. I find the whole thing interesting and can argue both sides of it. It does seem to come down to funding like everything else.

Back to sports ..

In HS/MS are individual coaches allowed to set their own standards for grades?
 
Feb 3, 2011
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I'm happy to hear that your DD's coach has taken such a hard line on this. Some of those young women will look back 20 years from now and be glad they got that speech.

I expect excellence. As a parent, if you trust your minor children to my care, you know what standard they'll be held to. But that standard is different for every individual - it's based on my perception of a child's potential.

My DD is in danger of getting a B in history this trimester. If she does, the struggle for me will be to determine appropriate consequences other than "you're not getting a new puppy".
 
Jul 19, 2014
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Madison, WI
Indeed. What would be a tragedy for one kid is a triumph for another.

Even in the same family.

Some of my kids have been disappointed with grades other kids would've LOVED.
 
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Jun 24, 2010
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Mississippi
Indeed. What would be a tragedy for one kid is a triumph for another.

Even in the same family.

Some of my kids have been disappointed with grades other kids would've LOVED.

No doubt. DD#2 has a slight learning disability. This girl works her butt off on homework. We literally spend over 1 hours per day on homework. Plus, she's in a reading program all through the summer. Last semester, she brought home a report card with all A's for the entire semester! I couldn't have celebrated a 3 run HR in the bottom of the 7th any more than I did over that report card. DD#1 understood, even though she's brought several of those home without the same gusto.

It's about how close to your true potential you reach for me.
 

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