DD Landing at a 45° angle but still need some help......

[Boomers2012]

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DD and I have worked on landing at more of a 45° angle with the plant foot. She really focused on it today and did very well. However, in watching the slow mo video, we noticed that the arm is not planting into the hip as it has when landing at a 90° angle with the plant foot. She is not achieving IR and it seems she is pushing the ball rather than internally rotating the arm when before she was able to plant that arm and achieve the desired IR. She is able to drag with the toe more and not the entire side of her foot but seems as though the drag leg is not coming forward. I do realize that the angle of the hips, shoulders, etc...are different due to the angle of the plant foot. Is this something that she will just have to keep working on and "find" the location of where the arm needs to go to achieve IR or we going about this the wrong way? Also, any advice on how to get that drag leg to come forward and not go off to the left? Any input would be much appreciated. Thanks.....

 

[FrozenRope]

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DD and I have worked on landing at more of a 45° angle with the plant foot. She really focused on it today and did very well. However, in watching the slow mo video, we noticed that the arm is not planting into the hip as it has when landing at a 90° angle with the plant foot. She is not achieving IR and it seems she is pushing the ball rather than internally rotating the arm when before she was able to plant that arm and achieve the desired IR. She is able to drag with the toe more and not the entire side of her foot but seems as though the drag leg is not coming forward. I do realize that the angle of the hips, shoulders, etc...are different due to the angle of the plant foot. Is this something that she will just have to keep working on and "find" the location of where the arm needs to go to achieve IR or we going about this the wrong way? Also, any advice on how to get that drag leg to come forward and not go off to the left? Any input would be much appreciated. Thanks.....

Hmmmm.. I think it's nearly impossible for her to "push" the ball as you describe from this position. I can't find much wrong with it, but then again, I'm not an expert. If anything, she may be closing a bit prematurely, which can take away from the whip.

 

[bobbyb]

Can't post the gif here either.

But that looks better to me...she still may have it a little beyond 45. Give her a couple of weeks to develop the hips and keep working the 45 degree front foot. IMO...one reason the 90 block is bad...is it locks the hip for stability rather than building the hip muscles for stability. Give it a couple of weeks of working the joints and pattern at 45 degrees.... It needs a little time for the muscles to adapt.

It would help her adapt better imo...if you do something such as have her do some inline lunges and lunges with rotation. The key being keep that front knee still (not moving in or out) and over the foot...when she does them. 8-10 reps each side..4 times a week.


What your seeing with the rear leg is she is keeping the knee down throughout the drag. It should point to third base when she opens. Drag on inside of big toe...roll over to toe tops. I wouldn't be overly concerned about right now.

Concentrate on one or two things for a couple weeks...till she can do it without focus...the 45 angle (btw..i'd rather it be 30 degrees than over 45)..........then go to ball path (ball going up on the power line and down on the power line...as much as possible).

She is doing great job...yall have fun with it!

 

[David Carter]

Only took a couple quick looks at video, but it seems like she is simply not opening not opening up enough and also closing early.

This might be a case of severe glove swim prevent her upper body from turning correctly and because she has so much force swimming out with the glove hand she can't overcome it and never opens and starts closing early.

My recommendation would be to start her loading correctly she never really gets any kind of load, then when she explodes off the rubber (which she is doing well) have her really concentrate on having her glove extend forward and not out.

Look at the still frozen rope has made with her glove out like that it is hard to see how she can be very open. Watching her release through the :22 second mark of the clip I think I am see what looks like a good whip and IR, but maybe others will have a different opinion

 

[halskinner]

She is standing tall from the git go. Push off with a forward lean, land with a slight backwards lean,

As fas as the push off goes, she has none. A very long step with momentum pulling the pivot foot forward a few inches.


Raising the pivot toes up does nothing.

Shew needs to do run through drills and lengthen the stride.

She is throwing as a step style pitcher right now.

 

[halskinner]

She is standing tall from the git go. Push off with a forward lean, land with a slight backwards lean,

As fas as the push off goes, she has none. A very long step with momentum pulling the pivot foot forward a few inches.


Raising the pivot toes up does nothing.

Shew needs to do run through drills and lengthen the stride.

She is throwing as a step style pitcher right now.

 

[Boomers2012]

Hal, i dont recall asking anything about posture, pushing off of the rubber, or raising the pivot toe. I do recall, however, mentioning the 45 degree angle in which she is landing and achieving IR. I could really care less if she is pushing off the rubber as far as she can at this point. I appreciate everyone elses advice on topic. We will continue working.

 

[marriard]

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Also, any advice on how to get that drag leg to come forward and not go off to the left? Any input would be much appreciated. Thanks.....

If you fix the glove swim then some of this will fix naturally. Be good to get a video from behind her but I suspect she is dong what my DD used to do - using the glove swim to try and generate extra power/help come round the body which goes against what you are trying to do. It caused her to go left of the power line and her drag leg had no choice but to follow it in that direction because that is where some of the power was going.

 

[inde53546]

What our PC has done to get the drag leg to come more toward the heel is to tie an elastic tube around her drive ankle. You kneel in front but to the side to so she won't hit you and she backs up to the plate stretching the band. When she drives off the plate the band will "assist" with the foot driving forward to help her get the feel. You can also do this in reverse. You behind her have her stand on the plate stretch the tube and make her drive that back leg to her heel. Hope this makes sense. I haven't seen the video but if Hal is correct that she isn't getting any push off with her pivot foot than it's an anchor from the get go, I think that's been a problem in the past where she is essentially just taking a big step off the plate? If she is driving forward with it than inertia should assist. You can decide what you want to do with the glove swim, but she seems awfully closed with her shoulders in the still shot above?

 

[Boomers2012]

Great idea Inde! And yes it made perfect sense. I totally agree with that the glove swim is causing her to close the shoulders prematurely. I am thinking about putting something beside her to "block" the glove and keep it from flailing to the left. When she does her drills, she doesn't swim but as soon as she starts to pitch it comes back. As for the push off the rubber......I was looking at some old video (from November) and noticed she was pushing WAY harder and further. However, she was separating the ball from her glove and swinging the ball back then bringing forward as she pushes. We took the advice of many to stop doing that and she immediately lost most of her push. So basically she quit swinging the ball back and lost the momentum thus losing the push. So which is best? Not separating the ball and losing forward inertia or separating the ball, bringing it back and getting more of a push???