Good post; best-case scenario it was reckless disregard for the safety of the fielder.
What would you call this?
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Good post; best-case scenario it was reckless disregard for the safety of the fielder.
Look at the video again.
The fielder is not already standing up the line.
She moves forward into the line as throw and runner come to her.
This is not the fielder standing there for the runner to make another choice of approach.
This collision is bound to happen. The runner is already ducking. If you look at her runner she runs with her head down. Even befor the throw is to the defense. Her alternative may been to slide. Or stand either way unavoidable.
If your going to sight the rules find out what rules should be applied.
Then argue with the blues who called her safe.
Equally so post the rules on defensive obstruction.
radness
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illegal slide could be another umpires perception for this judgement call.
On this they did not perceive that. Nor did i.
Generally i do not argue with umpires. No matter to argue their ruling stands right or wrong. The umpire is always right!
Will add this,
Yes judgement and opinion are part of the blue's job.
There are far more missed judgements on balls and strikes than anything else.
Which effect the game far more ...than to argue in a game over one call especially this mash up play.
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Right, you certainly can stand in the base runners path without the ball, that is obstruction, but if the fielder has the ball, even a second before the runner makes contact, then that's not obstruction. That's the way I would call it.
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I dont think it was obstruction either. Just posted the rule.
imo It was a play that the runner on the way, arriving just befor and reacting to the defense jumping to the ball arriving. The defense landing in path of runner who had already made a decision to dive seeing ball arriving.
( the ball was not there yet when defender was jumping to it = runner reacted)
It wasnt pretty, but because of where the throw went and defender landing, both were put into a collision situation but each was doing what they needed to do.
No fault play. Thats how i see it.
The rules are there to hopefully prevent injury or like others commented intentionally , however no rules can prevent the timing in this play from the timing of the elements.
No fault.
No issue on the play.
imo It was a play that the runner on the way, arriving just befor and reacting to the defense jumping to the ball arriving. The defense landing in path of runner who had already made a decision to dive seeing ball arriving.
( the ball was not there yet when defender was jumping to it = runner reacted)
It wasnt pretty, but because of where the throw went and defender landing, both were put into a collision situation but each was doing what they needed to do.
No fault play. Thats how i see it.
The rules are there to hopefully prevent injury or like others commented intentionally , however no rules can prevent the timing in this play from the timing of the elements.
No fault.
No issue on the play.
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She only rolled after she made contact with the fielder, her forward momentum stopped with her upper body, and her lower body rolled sideways. She wasn't going to roll like that if not for the contact, which really wasn't her fault.
And the fact it takes this many viewings and this much discussion is really all the evidence I need to suggest the runner, while maybe not the best at sliding, didn't violate any rules. If you're gonna call someone out for an illegal slide, it had better be obvious.
I agree with this 100%.
Read the comments. Some poster says something similar, but a poster named "Dom" says it's perfect execution. Perfect? Damn near everything was wrong.
I only have the NFHS rules to go by,but Malicious Contact involves neither malice nor intent. By definition it is excessive force. Depending on level this player either is not coached well or is intending to knock the ball loose through the force of the contact. If it is the former I am calling dead ball, malicious contact more for the safety of the players (runner included before she "breaks her freakin' neck'" (insert Longest Yard clip here). If the latter, I am calling malicious contact for the excessive force needed to knock the ball loose, the obstruction rule is in place to keep the runner from having to try to do this sort of thing. Either way, player safety DOES come into play, because if I DON"T call it, some personal injury lawyer is sure to be in the stands. Either way, dead ball, out.
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The runner should have just proceeded to run to 2b, count on the Umpire to enforce obstruction (if it applies, still open for discussion) OR, learn to just not screw around with the dancing back and forth and get her butt back to 1B at the start of this chipburger.
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