The latest guru on Twitter

[Eric F]

The latest guru seem to be Richard Schenck, His snap the barrel rearward and his supination are all the craze right now

When you said "latest guru", I was hoping you might actually be talking about someone new. It seems to me that launch angle and exit velocity are all the craze right now - two things that Rich does not talk about, except to downplay their importance.

 

[FiveFrameSwing]

Can someone expand on the concept of "snap"? What is the movement taking place (is it supination of the rear forearm)? Where in the swing is the action of "snap" located?

 

[D Up]

DUp ... you have a fair amount correct.

At 'swing launch' there will be structure in the top-hand wrist. This structure needs to be short lived and move quickly to being loose/oily/hinge-like.

The top-hand in a good swing becomes 'bent' ... that is, the top-hand wrist becomes radially deviated and extended.

IMO a better focus on wrist tension is on being loose/oily/whippy/hinge-like, and not stiff/strong.

I would agree

 

[D Up]

When you said "latest guru", I was hoping you might actually be talking about someone new. It seems to me that launch angle and exit velocity are all the craze right now - two things that Rich does not talk about, except to downplay their importance.

I agree


But he does talk supination and rearward barrel and though he doesn't talk about launch angle per say...What is swing over the wall? Its a a launch angle training drill for sure

 

[D Up]

I would agree

Let me revise a bit... I dont agree that the wrist needs to be loose and whippy ...I do believe that supination is " short lived" and later than NOW

 

[D Up]

Can someone expand on the concept of "snap"? What is the movement taking place (is it supination of the rear forearm)? Where in the swing is the action of "snap" located?

Supination OF THE BACK ARM AND FOREARM BEFORE anything ELSE HAPPENS

 

[D Up]

When you said "latest guru", I was hoping you might actually be talking about someone new. It seems to me that launch angle and exit velocity are all the craze right now - two things that Rich does not talk about, except to downplay their importance.

The latest twitter guru Rich and GRiT talk about over the wall but down play launch angle, The drill is 100% a launch angle drill. Rich and GRiT must not have a device to measure just like Rich has no facility. Old guys tend to deny technological advances

Eric those are just a couple

The latest is the pvc with the weight on it that is an absolute bat drag creator

 

[D Up]

DUp ... you have a fair amount correct.

At 'swing launch' there will be structure in the top-hand wrist. This structure needs to be short lived and move quickly to being loose/oily/hinge-like.

The top-hand in a good swing becomes 'bent' ... that is, the top-hand wrist becomes radially deviated and extended.

IMO a better focus on wrist tension is on being loose/oily/whippy/hinge-like, and not stiff/strong.

The wrist and the elbow need to be a unit...the hand and the elbow need to work together...You cant d that with a loose wrist.

 

[julray]

We have all seen the gurus come and go, The Howard Carriers and the Charlie Laus of the world, Some of their instruction has been proved to be NOT SO GOOD.

The latest guru seem to be Richard Schenck, His snap the barrel rearward and his supination are all the craze right now

My findings:

Rich Schenck advocates a supination of the top hand and forearm, What I found is trying to relay this info to a youth is very difficult, What they end up doing is laying the bat down and getting a much steeper angle than desired. The wrist and forearms should not supinate before adduction, The wrist I should say should not supinate.

The top wrist should remain strong. The hitters I worked with all had a upper cut swing and I feeling of being back on their rear leg such an extreme that they felt as if they were spinning out on the rear leg. The barrel works down to the ball. But on an upward incline and contact is made as the elbow is working up to the front shoulder.

The focus on sending the barrel rearward is causing problems also. The angle is to steep and they tend to supinate the top hand wrist which causes the barrel to flatten and get extremely long to the ball. Faster pitching up and in eats them alive when they do this.

You should not force supination of focus on it, You should not focus on being 1 legged or focus on it,


My findings are the rear heel is usually off the ground just before launch. Is this not a sign of the rear leg being unweighted?

Adduction and lateral tilt are happening before supination.

Conclusion: Focus on being 1 legged and supinating at launch is wrong.

Launch is not supination, Supination is not launch.

Kids that I worked with got much better results not focusing on the steep barrel..not focusing on supinating the top hand.

We obtained better results with the feeling of staying above the ball and the wrist remaining strong and being reactive after launch.

Not swinging down...not chopping but a feeling of taking the bat down to the ball. Not focusing on " SNAP " of the barrel rearward and swinging over the wall. The barrels simply got to steep that way!

Possibly this works for kids over 16 Im not sure

Thought I was going crazy, so glad that others are experiencing the things outlined in this post. It's exactly what my kid experienced when snapping/turning the barrel from go. Ruined an entire year at the plate trying to master this and even thought she doesn't practice this anymore, there is some kind of power leakage in her swing that I can't put a finger on.

D up, I would love to know in greater detail (common man terms) of the swing you promote. I understand you can't post vids of the kids you teach, but maybe you can grab a couple of vids of successful hitters and explain frame by frame??

 

[julray]

Sounds like someone who didn't understand what he was instructing and now needs to blame.

Ah my friend, love it when you get all sensitive...

I played ball all my life, with that being said, I am definitely no instructor, See ball, hit ball is what I was taught. However, the problems that D up explained in his post is exactly the issues my DD experienced. I've said it many times before this post that the result of my DD turning the barrel resulted in a steep angle that she was unable to recover from. Seems like she's not the only one.