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Personally, I think it's simply talking points as to what one's looking at, and saying what about which.

If you look at these hitters' hands, then yes, from the handset at or above their shoulders, they do move their hands "down" or "swing down" (good luck teaching that to young developing hitters).

But if you look at the barrel path, it indeed does more of the "ferris wheel" (although I don't particularly like that term), as to moves "behind and through" the ball...not "down and to" it as the hands "swing down" will ultimately produce with young hitters.

When we often talk "Down to", aside from the core movements, I feel we cannot forget there is torque being applied to the handle of the bat. It's not the players taking hands "Down to" as pushing the hands or knob that way and never release the bat head. I think the argument can be said that the hitter is turning the barrel/throwing "Forward" (in which you see the barrel get behind the ball creating an arc) to the ball with direction vs TTB "Rearward" first to get behind the ball. if that makes sense. JMHO
 
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When we often talk "Down to", aside from the core movements, I feel we cannot forget there is torque being applied to the handle of the bat. It's not the players taking hands "Down to" as pushing the hands or knob that way and never release the bat head. I think the argument can be said that the hitter is turning the barrel/throwing "Forward" (in which you see the barrel get behind the ball creating an arc) to the ball with direction vs TTB "Rearward" first to get behind the ball. if that makes sense. JMHO
Yes, I think it's a combination of both. Simply TTB rearward w/o some predisposed direction forward won't get it done...same as simply pulling the hands straight "down to" the ball is a swing killer.

The key is always the barrel path. All MLB hitters bring the barrel around and under their rear shoulder to the ball in their game swings, and none of them take it over their rear shoulder straight down to the ball...regardless of whatever they might show in some demos or drill swings.
 
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if you dont see that in MLB swings, get your eyes checked.

Maybe you can help me see it, because I don't see it here...

Or here...

Or lots of others. I don't see the barrel getting pulled down in front of the rear shoulder like that at all. How is that move translating to the barrel path we see in top hitters? What am I missing?
 
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if you dont see that in MLB swings, get your eyes checked.

Reminds me of the Bonds drill hitting in front of the plate.. Its all about driving the ball through the target.

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Maybe you can help me see it, because I don't see it here...

Or here...

Or lots of others. I don't see the barrel getting pulled down in front of the rear shoulder like that at all. How is that move translating to the barrel path we see in top hitters? What am I missing?

the action of bringing the arms down to up is the prep to chop. The action of down to is the chop. Go chop an imaginary tree. It’s the same As Ted said in his book 50 yrs ago.
 
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the action of bringing the arms down to up is the prep to chop. The action of down to is the chop. Go chop an imaginary tree. It’s the same As Ted said in his book 50 yrs ago.
Uh no. All of Ted Williams teachings were a "slight upswing", all of his illustrations and photos showed the barrel coming around and under the rear shoulder. Reread the chapter "Up, Up Is The Way" for this...
I advocate a slight upswing (from level to about 10 degrees), and there is another good reason for this—the biggest reason:

Say the average pitcher is 6 foot 2. He’s standing on a mound 10 inches high. He’s pitching overhand, or three-quarter arm. He releases the ball right about ear level. Your strike zone is, roughly, from 22 inches to 4 feet 8. Most pitchers will come in below the waist, because the low pitch is tougher to hit. The flight of the ball is down (see diagram), about 5 degrees. A slight upswing—again, led by the hips coming around and up—puts the bat flush in line with the path of the ball for a longer period—that 12- to 18-inch impact zone.

Certainly there are times when you want to think more about getting on top of the ball—times when you are having trouble, getting fooled, popping up. The upswing is harder for one reason: It’s a longer stroke with a longer loop to it. It requires more time. When I say “get on top of the ball,” I don’t mean to swing down or chop, but to get your sights higher and level out your swing more. Nine times out of ten when you fail to make contact with a pitch you have swung under it.

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In fact, he said the baseball swing was the "opposite of a chop"....

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pattar

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Uh no. All of Ted Williams teachings were a "slight upswing", all of his illustrations and photos showed the barrel coming around and under the rear shoulder. Reread the chapter "Up, Up Is The Way" for this...


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In fact, he said the baseball swing was the "opposite of a chop"....

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I think there is an audio clip of Ted saying something which may(?) contradict what his book says which I think WW might be referring to...🤷🏽‍♂️
 
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I think there is an audio clip of Ted saying something which may(?) contradict what his book says which I think WW might be referring to...🤷🏽‍♂️
That was wrt the swing being a "push", that got some to believe he was advocating "pushing" or swinging with the arms, which they interpreted as contradicting his "the hips lead the way" tenet.
 

pattar

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Jun 8, 2016
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That was wrt the swing being a "push", that got some to believe he was advocating "pushing" or swinging with the arms, which they interpreted as contradicting his "the hips lead the way" tenet.
Not sure that is the one..hopefully WW will clarify.
 

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