The OP was talking about posture over the ball...not talking about tilt.
Then he started talking about tilt. Go back and look
The OP was talking about posture over the ball...not talking about tilt.
I know..I was responding to the initial intent of the thread..hence the reason I didn't quote anybodyThen he started talking about tilt. Go back and look
I know..I was responding to the initial intent of the thread..hence the reason I didn't quote anybody
Then he started talking about tilt. Go back and look
I think posture and tilt are both important to teach. I think they go together. If you posture is good (athletic, tension in legs, butt out slightly, chest over slightly) and it’s maintained during the swing, the shoulders will tilt appropriately and the barrel will match the plane of the shoulders. Too many players come out of posture too early, mainly due to being out of sequence, firing from the top down. Posture and tilt are both pitch specific. JMO
The key is getting into good posture during the stride. I agree that tilt is a non teach if good posture is maintained. I agree with your definition of posture. In the Mookie gif above he begins tallbut during his stride he gets into good posture.So if we are to separate the two on a technical level, It would be posture being keeping the spine straight while lowering your height by moving the chest over and the butt out. Tilt would be a middle to top curving of the spine. If that is the case and the definitions I definitely teach use as much appropriate posture adjustments and as little tilt as possible.
Just from a mechanical point of view a good posture will produce a stronger more athletic situation and tilt will take a little away. Not to say tilt isn't needed, but as a very fine adjustment. A large tilt by this definition would definitely put you in a physical disadvantage.
Is that they way you distinguish the two?
What comes first? Direction or tilt? That is how tilt is created. It’s really a no teach. The front leg and front elbow do the adjusting in good swings.
Learn how to use your hands.The hand/barrel path dictates tilt.
Here’s a good tutorial on why a push is a push. Also why knob to ball gets a bad rep. Casey is perfect with his analysis.
Edit: learn how to use your hands and how to ‘load’ them.
I will agree Casey trips on himself a bit. But as far as what is happening at slot. He gets it right. Harold said ‘it’s not taught’. He’s right. If you get knob to ball right as well as barrel path, it really is a no teach. Elbow slot and long through will be the result. Like I said, get the load right in balance , then knob to ball is the only thing that matters. That’s what Casey’s message was in the video. Here he says it again. Try to listen to it without bias. But go by how much you know about the sequence and mechanics in general. He speaks of the sequence. He doesn’t include everything. But he says I want to point out ‘why’ Davis is so good. Just like Mustakas. He’s not giving a hitting lesson. He’s keying in on a few things broadly.
If he was torquing the barrel. It would have been blurring. But it wasn’t. Not until the initial turn was done. EVERY GOOD SWING BLURS AFTER THE INITIAL TURN OF THE BARREL AND THE HANDS COME FORWARD. They don’t want rearward barrel speed, they want deep instant barrel speed. The initial turn of the barrel is direction not torque. Happens when he slots. Coincidental?? Don’t think so.
The barrel lagging with the elbow underneath is fundamental. The ‘delay’ he speaks of is really the lower half running start (separation). What everyone wants. He even explains it. That’s where everyone screws up knob to ball. He says it himself. No load.
Separation is an on going mechanic from forward move until toe touch/foot down.
If one is a ‘torque/turn’ the barrel get on plane deep guy’ this doesn’t make sense. Again if your on plane deep then tilt would happen before direction. Doesn’t happen with any pro hitters I have seen.
If you don’t believe in a two part swing I guess you don’t believe Ted Williams ‘hips ahead of hands’?? Sounds like 2 parts to me. They certainly don’t go at the same time do they?
The barrel doesn’t pick up speed until he slots.It turns a bit, then picks up speed.
Direction-Slot-Speed.
This guy does the opposite. This is why he waits as long as possible on his back leg and throws everything at the ball.This would be a one piece swing. No running start. Back elbow behind the hands on all swings. He needs the ‘race’. Push swings work. But mainly oppo hitters. Can’t get the barrel around fast enough for the most part. Luckily he’s 6’8 280lbs with 310 rf fence. No agenda. Just picked the first pusher I could think of.