Pitcher gestures/ body language

[radness]

She was frustrated at that point cause she was right down the middle and he still called them balls.

Pitchers & all of us participating,
need to deal with umpires and their different opinions on the 'area called the strikezone'.

What hand gesture did she make?
☝
Could piss off more than just the umpire !

 

[_MIA_]

Pitchers & all of us participating,
need to deal with umpires and their different opinions on the 'area called the strikezone'.

What hand gesture did she make?
☝
Could piss off more than just the umpire !

I think I may have used this one a few times:

 

[Ar Elite 07]

I think I may have used this one a few times:
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Lol it was just a hand to the side, like come on. Lol but reason learn for her, not to show emotion in the game

 

[Ar Elite 07]

Pitchers & all of us participating,
need to deal with umpires and their different opinions on the 'area called the strikezone'.

What hand gesture did she make?
☝
Could piss off more than just the umpire !

Lol it was just a hand to the side, like come on. Lol but reason learn for her, not to show emotion in the game

 

[Ar Elite 07]

Exactly... the story was in the original post that she made a hand gesture and smiled and was frustrated.

Now... it was just a smile.

Yeah it was a small hand gesture to the side like come on. Definitely nothing more. Nothing to get tossed for

 

[Ar Elite 07]

Yes, definitely can will get tossed, especially if she is warned. I suspect that there is more to this story. Smiling is no different than using than using the term "Bless your heart." It is all about the context. This is part of maturing as a pitcher. While it may be over the top at 12U, as she gets older there will be less tolerance for that type of behavior. This is one of the life lessons that the game provides.

She was never warned before he said he was going to toss her if she done it again. I mean if you dont warn them, they cant correct their mistake.

 

[Tide_will_Roll]

She was never warned before he said he was going to toss her if she done it again. I mean if you dont warn them, they cant correct their mistake.

To be fair, and I am not on either side I am just following the discussion as an interested party, was that not him warning her?

I would contend, telling a player "If you keep doing what you are doing i will eject you," certainly is a warning.

How many warnings is necessary?

"Stop that."
"Stop that."
"Stop it. I really mean it this time."
"Don't do it again or you are out of the game."

Yeah, there are poor umpires. There are umpires with poor attitudes (same as there are coaches and players). At the end of the day, it is an umpires job to keep control of a game as much as it is to call balls and strikes.

I've seen officials in soccer and basketball who were complete dog crap at keeping control of the game. In basketball (elementary school age) that essentially let a coach abuse and verbally bully opposing players and the timekeeper/score keeper. In soccer (9U) referees do nothing about violent conduct that for all intents and purposes would have been a straight red card resulting in an an ejection and suspension. And it was more than once in a game.

 

[JumboJack]

To be fair, and I am not on either side I am just following the discussion as an interested party, was that not him warning her?

I would contend, telling a player "If you keep doing what you are doing i will eject you," certainly is a warning.

How many warnings is necessary?

"Stop that."
"Stop that."
"Stop it. I really mean it this time."
"Don't do it again or you are out of the game."

Yeah, there are poor umpires. There are umpires with poor attitudes (same as there are coaches and players). At the end of the day, it is an umpires job to keep control of a game as much as it is to call balls and strikes.

I've seen officials in soccer and basketball who were complete dog crap at keeping control of the game. In basketball (elementary school age) that essentially let a coach abuse and verbally bully opposing players and the timekeeper/score keeper. In soccer (9U) referees do nothing about violent conduct that for all intents and purposes would have been a straight red card resulting in an an ejection and suspension. And it was more than once in a game.

Agree 100%. I am a soccer referee. While yes an official can give warnings and have a talk with a player when they do something this is out of line, there are also things that are straight ejections no questions asked, no quarter given.

 

[The Man In Blue]

Going to stay away from whether this is a biased OP and just going to talk about ejections and player body language.

Yes, body language can get you tossed. As an umpire I try to take into account whether it is an action or a reaction. If you don't get a close call (or even if I miss it), I expect you to react. Quick emotion, get it out. Toss the hand to the side, drop the jaw, shake your head. Just get it out of your system fast.

Keep carrying on and it becomes an action. An action is directed and a conscious effort. Now we start having an issue. Turn around and keep carrying on AFTER you have reacted, continue to act that way pitch after pitch, make a spectacle out of what you are doing ... you are working an early shower.

I know an umpire AND the catcher this happened to ... but a few seasons ago we had an umpire eject a catcher for not tucking her jersey in. Before I say any more on that ... what are your thoughts?

 

[Bullseye]

dd's pitching instructor routinely spoke of game face.
Any other face your not in the game.
Its as much a poker face as it is unbreakable.