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Oct 11, 2018
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Are you positive? That's what I was thinking too, but I seem to have some remembrance that the batter is awarded their bases from home if it's the first throw, therefore she gets second. It's hazy though and I haven't read a rule book in a couple of years.
yes, positive as confirmed by Comp. I quoted the USA rule and other rule sets are the same.

In most cases the award would look the same weather awarded from home or from the runners position, but there are some subtle differences that could burn you on the placement of other runners.

Here is a challenging example: R1 on 1st stealing on the pitch. Fly ball to F7 is caught. R1 was headed back to 1B when F7 threw ball to F3 to appeal runner leaving early. Throw goes out of bounds. R1 awarded 2 bases.Where you going to put R2 (assuming she goes back and touches bases in correct order and tags up at 1st base)? The last base she touched was 2B.

The rule says 2 bases from position of runner when throw left her hand. R1 will be awarded 2nd and 3rd because she was between 1st and 2nd.

If the runner had rounded 2nd and was between 2nd and 3rd at time of throw, guess what, runner gets awarded home (still needs to return and tag up).
 
Oct 24, 2010
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Are you positive? That's what I was thinking too, but I seem to have some remembrance that the batter is awarded their bases from home if it's the first throw, therefore she gets second. It's hazy though and I haven't read a rule book in a couple of years.

Are you thinking of small ball rules? Even so, I don't think it applies.
 
Mar 14, 2017
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Michigan
Are you thinking of small ball rules? Even so, I don't think it applies.

Like I said, I just had some hazy recollection of it being different if it's the batter running to first and occurs on the first throw. It would likely have been from Little League because that's the last case book I remember reading.
 
Oct 24, 2010
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Like I said, I just had some hazy recollection of it being different if it's the batter running to first and occurs on the first throw. It would likely have been from Little League because that's the last case book I remember reading.

Little League softball is derived from baseball rules.

Code:
From OBR 5.06(b)(4):
Each runner including the batter-runner may, without liability to be put out, advance:

(G)  Two bases when, with no spectators on the playing
field, a thrown ball goes into the stands, or
into a bench (whether or not the ball rebounds
into the field), or over or under or through a field
fence, or on a slanting part of the screen above the
backstop, or remains in the meshes of a wire
screen protecting spectators. The ball is dead.
When such wild throw is the first play by an
infielder, the umpire, in awarding such bases,
shall be governed by the position of the runners at
the time the ball was pitched; in all other cases the
umpire shall be governed by the position of the
runners at the time the wild throw was made;

APPROVED RULING: If all runners, including the batter-
runner, have advanced at least one base when an
infielder makes a wild throw on the first play after the
pitch, the award shall be governed by the position of the
runners when the wild throw was made.

[...]

Approved Ruling:

The term “when the wild throw was made” means when
the throw actually left the player’s hand and not when the
thrown ball hit the ground, passes a receiving fielder or
goes out of play into the stands.

The position of the batter-runner at the time the wild
throw left the thrower’s hand is the key in deciding the
award of bases. If the batter-runner has not reached first
base, the award is two bases at the time the pitch was
made for all runners. The decision as to whether the batter-
runner has reached first base before the throw is a
judgment call.

[...]

The takeaway is that almost all of softball is two bases from the time of the throw.

Play: R1 at first, BR grounds to F6. At the time of F6's throw to 1st base, R1 has touched 2nd and BR has not yet touched 1st. The wild throw goes into dead ball territory. R1 should be awarded home and BR awarded 2nd.
 
Mar 14, 2017
453
43
Michigan
Little League softball is derived from baseball rules.

Code:
From OBR 5.06(b)(4):
Each runner including the batter-runner may, without liability to be put out, advance:

(G)  Two bases when, with no spectators on the playing
field, a thrown ball goes into the stands, or
into a bench (whether or not the ball rebounds
into the field), or over or under or through a field
fence, or on a slanting part of the screen above the
backstop, or remains in the meshes of a wire
screen protecting spectators. The ball is dead.
When such wild throw is the first play by an
infielder, the umpire, in awarding such bases,
shall be governed by the position of the runners at
the time the ball was pitched; in all other cases the
umpire shall be governed by the position of the
runners at the time the wild throw was made;

APPROVED RULING: If all runners, including the batter-
runner, have advanced at least one base when an
infielder makes a wild throw on the first play after the
pitch, the award shall be governed by the position of the
runners when the wild throw was made.

[...]

Approved Ruling:

The term “when the wild throw was made” means when
the throw actually left the player’s hand and not when the
thrown ball hit the ground, passes a receiving fielder or
goes out of play into the stands.

The position of the batter-runner at the time the wild
throw left the thrower’s hand is the key in deciding the
award of bases. If the batter-runner has not reached first
base, the award is two bases at the time the pitch was
made for all runners. The decision as to whether the batter-
runner has reached first base before the throw is a
judgment call.

[...]

The takeaway is that almost all of softball is two bases from the time of the throw.

Play: R1 at first, BR grounds to F6. At the time of F6's throw to 1st base, R1 has touched 2nd and BR has not yet touched 1st. The wild throw goes into dead ball territory. R1 should be awarded home and BR awarded 2nd.

Thanks... I'm not crazy then. I mean, I might be, but not because of this.
 

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