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Would love to know myself @BoardMember ?I'm sorry, is this Nunthia?
Yes.I'm sorry, is this Nunthia?
Thanks Ken! Good to know and also know Nunthia is not OILF. Still interested in the debate between @Nunthia1914 and @BoardMember . We will see where it goes.......Yes.
And for forearm fire its the forearm going across the waste from hip to hip.....
@Gags I'm with you....two guys talking past each other....I think the only issue is Mr Feld describes something a certain way when taken literally doesn't actually happen like hip to hip, but if you were to just describe it that is a valid description even though not technically accurate. I think boardmember just doesn't want anyone to actually try to learn that as a mechanically correct description. I think as a cue for someone who has been doing hello elbow for a while it would be just fine, kinda of like stay straight and tall. You aren't actually straight your foot lands at an angle, you release at an angle etc. but we all know what we mean, same with tall your knee are always bent slightly thru release but we know what we mean, here I think it's just two people not knowing what the other means or at lest not giving the benefit of the doubt and to boardmembers point if I don't know what you mean all I can do is take you literally....but hey I got my popcorn out.Ken - thanks for helping to get those posted.
Could you also help me understand what I'm (not) seeing? BM and Mr. Feld's motions look the same, it's just that Mr. Feld does a full windup. They both IR, they both throw across the body, both seem to brush and let their arm "wrap" around their hip. Maybe Mr. Feld ends up more closed on the follow through, but I don't see much of a hip rotation or "snap". (I should had that I hope I still have that much range of motion when I'm 80!)
Is everyone just vehemently agreeing with other? Is it a terminology difference? Or is there an underlying difference?
@Gags I'm with you....two guys talking past each other....I think the only issue is Mr Feld describes something a certain way when taken literally doesn't actually happen..........
AMEN!!! So many new people come here and I get a little peeved when the founders are called out like BM. I am quick to jump to the defense of them and just in my blood. Of course, always open to new information as the game evolves but IMHO the I/R posts by BM are Gospel! "quoting a R Balswick term right there"Carter, feel free to search this thread for Nunthia1914’s opening and continued comments regarding I/R and the methodology I’ve laid out for learning to throw a softball underhanded and ultimately the pitching motion itself.
He opens with, and continues to say, “this is wrong. “you are teaching it wrong”. “You don’t know what your doing.”
So I don’t think we are talking past each other. With that said, I’ve shown him numerous times in this thread that what he thinks happens doesn’t, and what he thinks doesn’t happen actually does.
What I’ve done, both here and in my original I/R thread, is to first teach people to understand and recognize the proper method that occurs in high level mechanics, but also give them a path here in this thread to accomplish it.
What Nunthia is basically saying is “this method, and you, are wrong” vs. “Here’s a way to accomplish the same thing”.
So again no, we are not just talking past each other.
Bottom line is we here at DPF know how much this information has helped thousands of students, parents and even teachers further the goal. Heck, honestly, some of the most respected pitching coaches in the sport have adopted, refined, better understood, and/or even just begun speaking more correctly about the fast pitch motion based on the two I/R threads I’ve posted here.
So when someone starts posting about how wrong this is, basically telling people not to follow the principles laid out here, they need to be called out with facts supporting the information.
Peace bro!