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[Work=wins]

"Do you turn the barrel behind you for speed?" IMO, bat/barrel speed is created by the combination of upper and lower body actions. It is not simply from TTB, although that is a part of it. If the barrel is not accelerating as soon as you launch, you are toast.

"Or turn the knob to the sky for adjustments?" I don't even know what that means. I have heard some HI/HLP followers talk about turning the knob to the sky, but more so in the context of a feel/exaggeration, that isn't to be taken literally. The talk revolves more around a 12/6 barrel path that tilts depending on pitch location. The fact that this "clockface" tilts automatically implies that "to the sky" is an over exaggeration.

Thanks FP! agreed! It is NOT the launch, but must be accelerating at swing launch.

 

[Shawn]

Work=wins,

I'm not saying the "hands" turn the barrel in TTB mechanics. I think it's a matter of setting the hands up as a deep rotational point which includes the rear hip as the axis of rotation.

 

[FP26]

Thanks FP! agreed! It is NOT the launch, but must be accelerating at swing launch.

This is what confuses me. These items we are discussing are key parts of rear-legged hitting and TTB. You are agreeing with me, yet you seem to have an issue with both concepts.

 

[Work=wins]

IMO the Ortiz video is a good (almost extreme) example of initial hand torque..there are a number frames where the barrel is moving rearward with little to no forward movement of the hands. But if I am understanding your opinion, you will say that is a reaction to body movement and not due to anything the hands are doing on the handle. Correct?

Not sure what torque you mean? He’s not twisting his hands at the beginning of his sequence. Sure the barrel goes rearward to create lag or a loaded barrel . It’s not his launch. Swing launch is when the hands come forward.

When you throw do you create torque with your hand? How about when you crack a towel? Or does the elbow/wrist create lag? I personally don’t torque anything. Maybe I’m not understanding your definition of torque? You science guys geez.

 

[Work=wins]

This is what confuses me. These items we are discussing are key parts of rear-legged hitting and TTB. You are agreeing with me, yet you seem to have an issue with both concepts.

Lol. The muscles groups used with HI use half the body and create false forces in the swing imo. Such as HIp coil and turn the barrel. His 2 main engines are used incorrectly.

I want the core in charge of the first engine not the back leg. I want the hands to whip the barrel not turn behind me. That’s it in a nutshell.

 

[_MIA_]

Maybe I’m not understanding your definition of torque?

Top and bottom hand are applying opposite direction forces into (perpendicular) the handle of the bat to create a moment/torque.

 

[TDS]

Barrel whip.. Cause or effect ? Is there anyone other then AJ, Happ, or Kingery that focuses on turning the barrel ?

 

[rdbass]

He’s not twisting his hands at the beginning of his sequence

What's Ortiz doing then, if not

Top and bottom hand are applying opposite direction forces into (perpendicular) the handle of the bat to create a moment/torque.

 

[_MIA_]

Barrel whip.. Cause or effect ? Is there anyone other then AJ, Happ, or Kingery that focuses on turning the barrel ?

Just because they are focusing on it doesn't mean they are not doing it..

 

[Buttermaker]

The forearm muscles are ultimately what turn the hands. Impossible for the body to whip the barrel without the forearms turning the barrel first.

Judge adjusts to a "hanger" but that doesn't count as being able to hit more than one pitch at a time. Ok got it. Cherry Picking at its finest.