No stride and swinging from the launch, one legged?

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the core is leveraging and rotating against the hips/legs. The legs opening is eyewash. It’s a misconception. The lower tries to stay closed. Mobility levels will open it more on some, not so much on others.

how far do the legs ‘rotate’ relative to the pelvis? Not as much right? The back leg barely gets back to neutral, the front leg sometimes doesn’t get there until after contact. If we were trying to rotate the legs towards the pitcher and open each piece of the chain upwards, this would look different right? Wouldn’t we rotate farther then these gifs?

the core stretch back against the pelvis and legs going forward is how the core leverages the legs. rotation is against the hips. Since the pelvis is 1 bone, the back leg anchor holds the hips back creating a tighter turn than just rotating from the legs/ hips up in sequence.
At least we agree here, which is why I was questioning TDS statement that the legs leverage against the core,when it's the core using the legs as leverage
 
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Closed stance and striding closed causes scissoring due to the core need to provide room for a hand path to the ball.
 
Oct 13, 2014
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Closed stance and striding closed causes scissoring due to the core need to provide room for a hand path to the ball.

it does help create space through a tighter turn. But the bigger benefit is when the scissor happens it takes slack out of the system from the backside. This enables the hips to stop sooner so the trunk can accelerate tighter and faster.
 

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I think he was speaking of the ground. Leverage against the ground. Correct me if I’m wrong TDS.

Yea more so (leverage) when grounded..
There is energy flow going up/down the body which in itself provides leverage, but if he was on ice he would lose the ground leverage.

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miggy on the other hand doesn't always use the ground leverage which is why he doesn't have the mammoth bombs that others do but is very consistent at barreling up balls. IOW's he doesn't sit on certain pitches within his zone.

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Jul 29, 2013
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Use the rear leg to create controlled forward momentum and then use the front leg to convert the momentum into rotation.
The large core muscles of the lumbar spine are stabilizers. Remember the warning not to lift and turn? That's a great way to hurt your back.
The upper /thoracic spine is where all the core rotation happens.
 
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the core is leveraging and rotating against the hips/legs. The legs opening is eyewash. It’s a misconception. The lower tries to stay closed. Mobility levels will open it more on some, not so much on others.

how far do the legs ‘rotate’ relative to the pelvis? Not as much right? The back leg barely gets back to neutral, the front leg sometimes doesn’t get there until after contact. If we were trying to rotate the legs towards the pitcher and open each piece of the chain upwards, this would look different right? Wouldn’t we rotate farther then these gifs?

the core stretch back against the pelvis and legs going forward is how the core leverages the legs. rotation is against the hips. Since the pelvis is 1 bone, the back leg anchor holds the hips back creating a tighter turn than just rotating from the legs/ hips up in sequence.
Legs rotating.....


Core doesn't rotate the pelvis without leverage against something. The pelvis is upstream from core. The core rotates the shoulders leveraging against the pelvis. Legs rotate the pelvis leveraging against the ground.
 
Oct 13, 2014
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Legs rotating.....


Core doesn't rotate the pelvis without leverage against something. The pelvis is upstream from core. The core rotates the shoulders leveraging against the pelvis. Legs rotate the pelvis leveraging against the ground.


Why do you think the majority of hitters are closed at foot down? Why do you see the belly button turn forward before the front hip in every swing? If it was legs-pelvis-core It would be as plain as day.

at launch the belly button goes first pulling the front hip open while the back leg anchors and takes the slack out of the back hip. Once the slack is out, the core pulls the back foot which will get peeled off the ground while the back leg stays anchored/ERed to keep the slack out. The result is posterior pelvic tilt and torso turn against the hips which are being held in line by the legs.



 
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Why do you think the majority of hitters are closed at foot down? Why do you see the belly button turn forward before the front hip in every swing? If it was legs-pelvis-core It would be as plain as day.

at launch the belly button goes first pulling the front hip open while the back leg anchors and takes the slack out of the back hip. Once the slack is out, the core pulls the back foot which will get peeled off the ground while the back leg stays anchored/ERed to keep the slack out. The result is posterior pelvic tilt and torso turn against the hips which are being held in line by the legs.





You can't keep spreading misinformation like this.

Your eyes are deceiving you badly.




glute max actions are: external rotation of hip and leg, extension of hip, abduction of hip. These are all the actions you describe as being done by the torso.

Please open a book/surf the web and try to find one muscle of the Torso that moves the pelvis. (Hint: THERE ARE NONE).

Whatever you do please stop saying this "core moves hips" stuff. It is not correct and some people end up reading it and believing it.
 

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