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Model Grips

Mar 18, 2009
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La Crosse WI
HalSkinner: In your post #6 on this subject, the pictures show a hand gripping the ball. But holy crappola !! -- the hand looks like Andre the Giant has changed sports, and is now throwing risers instead of throwing his opponents into the risers.
The ball looks like an 11" size used by 10u-ers.
I really think all posts on grips for various pitches should include some consideration for the relatively small hand size of girls. I see Bill Hillhouse talking about emphasis on fingers to spin the ball. I see lots of recommendations for learning a drop to use the peel method. I look at all sorts of grip pictures and realize how irrelevent many are for small handed females. Sure, if you have 5" long fingers, it's a lot easier and more effective to spin the riser, or pull over the top of a peel drop. But let's work thru the realities of who the primary audience is -- PC's and dad's who are trying to develop better pitchers out of their 10-16 yr old clients.
Same basic argument about delivery techniques, e.g. hiding your grip from the batter. 98% of the batters facing the pitchers who may be looking for advise to improve are not going to identify a pitch and adjust to it by a glimpse of the hand grip in full acceleration. Let's not make a federal case of it.
Jim
 
Jun 13, 2009
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HalSkinner: In your post #6 on this subject, the pictures show a hand gripping the ball. But holy crappola !! -- the hand looks like Andre the Giant has changed sports, and is now throwing risers instead of throwing his opponents into the risers.
The ball looks like an 11" size used by 10u-ers.
I really think all posts on grips for various pitches should include some consideration for the relatively small hand size of girls. I see Bill Hillhouse talking about emphasis on fingers to spin the ball. I see lots of recommendations for learning a drop to use the peel method. I look at all sorts of grip pictures and realize how irrelevent many are for small handed females. Sure, if you have 5" long fingers, it's a lot easier and more effective to spin the riser, or pull over the top of a peel drop. But let's work thru the realities of who the primary audience is -- PC's and dad's who are trying to develop better pitchers out of their 10-16 yr old clients.
Same basic argument about delivery techniques, e.g. hiding your grip from the batter. 98% of the batters facing the pitchers who may be looking for advise to improve are not going to identify a pitch and adjust to it by a glimpse of the hand grip in full acceleration. Let's not make a federal case of it.
Jim
Jim, not saying I disagree but let me give you the other perspective... coming from a Hillhouse follower (DD goes to him). My dd wants to be in that 2% not the 98%. And I believe with all the men's fastpitch entering the women's game, that 98% is going to be dropping rapidly as the hitters are trained by the male FASTPITCH guys, not the dad's who played baseball. Ask any of the best hitters in the world (fastpitch) and they will tell you they look for every small way the pitcher "tips" their pitch to get an advantage. So, for the rec ball players I would agree with you. For the ones wanting to enter the big time game later in life, they'd better learn NOW how to stay ahead of where the hitters WILL be.
 

halskinner

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May 7, 2008
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Those pictures of different grips are from instructional articles out of Softball Illustrated magazines from 1966. Not sure who;se hand it is but it's not mine. Ao, if you or Bill want to complain about those, you are preaching to the choir. Deab a time machine and go back around 50 years or so and complain to them.

The Bent Fingered rise and the Flat Fingered Knuckleball, those pictures ARE of my hands and 12" balls. If a 10-year-old can hold onto the ball and pitch, it is quite easy to simply move the middle finger over a bit. The bent fingered rise is a different story amnd not near as many 10-year olds will have big enough hands. I would estimate that 1 out of 10 of my 10u students could do it.
 
Mar 22, 2010
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Maryland
Screwball....

To me it looks like it could be for a roll over drop or even possibly a "C" change-up... But grips are grips, they can be anything in my opinion as long as the tight spin desired is achieved....

Circle Change.... I just had one of my 12U pitchers working on this today. We tried something different for her, and it worked well.

I had her think of her pinky and thumb as a lobster claw and she pinched the ball between them, then she laid her pointer finger in the position of making an "ok" sign with her hand and then her middle and ring fingers just were laid down gently to rest on the ball, but did not put any pressure on them. She releases it with the "ok" (ring and thumb) going towards the catcher (just opens had at release). I will take some pics and post in a little bit.
 
Mar 22, 2010
79
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Maryland
<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/66493241@N06/6051076405/" title="circle change 5ed by stemcellsrock, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6065/6051076405_86e5c7c806_m.jpg" width="240" height="179" alt="circle change 5ed"></a>

<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/66493241@N06/6051629262/" title="circle change 4ed by stemcellsrock, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6066/6051629262_3ff5b6a21a_m.jpg" width="240" height="179" alt="circle change 4ed"></a>
 

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