Does anyone smart have any input on "palm up" in relation to these top tier men pitchers? Many seem to be palm to third or even close to palm to ground(maybe palm to ground near third). They seem to ER very late in the downswing. When I throw I find this easier than being palm up at 9 oclock.
Here is another good example. Matsuda does it on many pitches as well in sluggers vidya.
Comparatively it seems most of the tip top women are much more palm up.
It is a rise-ball, and it should be palm to 3B. I might add that the single biggest issue I see with girls and rise-balls is rolling the back shoulder forward into release. That shoulder orientation must be parallel to home-2B, staying open if you are going to achieve an 11-5 or 12-6 spin. Weight shift back toward 2B, letting that back shoulder fall back directly at 2B as much as possible. I teach the girls to bring the thumb under the ball. The ball should come off the thumb knuckle, not off the tip of the thumb. Curveball, roll-over drop also somewhat, and the dirty word, "screw-ball" evolving into that direction. A peel drop is palm up, a fastball can be palm up especially for hello-elbow pitchers.
Hillhouse knows more than me, where is he?
A friend takes his DD to a men's fastpitch pitcher for lessons. It does seem like they throw different and teach it that way too. not the crop hop or leap, but just the arm/palm as you mention. I think it is, what is the natural position of the palm when the arm is coming up and around.
I had a college pitcher who couldn't throw a strike with her palm to plate. She had to rotate the palm toward 3rd coming over the top or she completely lost control.
At the same time our #1 pitcher threw 68 straight balls in fall practice before she threw a strike. I inherited these two so don't look at me! That later took some serious retraining but got back to normal by January.
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