Manipulating the Barrel Early with Hands

[rdbass]

One would be hard pressed to say the hands (with the teeny wrist muscles) are doing more here than the overpowering leverage of the driving/dropping back elbow, and the rotating torso.

Could the forearms be 'helping' a little bit..........................

 

[Cornbread]

...and when the barrel is launched from behind that corner, dingers happen.

I think everyone agrees on this concept. Seems that everyone has a different belief of how we get the barrel to launch from behind that corner

 

[clemenslee1]

Pretty simple really. Some people see the clip you posted and notice that the tip of the barrel is moving rearward. Others notice that the knob is moving toward the pitcher but feel that the barrel isnt moving. We just think its moving but it's some type of trick. At least that's what I gather from it...

What I see in the clip in #168 is the bat which at launch is close to be weight less. Like trying to balance a bat on your hands as a kid. The bat is a inverted pendulum. because it heavier on one end. Once you move the handle or knob, the weighted falls and picks up speed. Hence TTB. Just a thought. Now once the barrel falls or TTB the elbow and hands then try to support the falling weight of the bat head as it is swinging around.

 

[FP26]

What I see in the clip in #168 is the bat which at launch is close to be weight less. Like trying to balance a bat on your hands as a kid. The bat is a inverted pendulum. because it heavier on one end. Once you move the handle or knob, the weighted falls and picks up speed. Hence TTB. Just a thought. Now once the barrel falls or TTB the elbow and hands then try to support the falling weight of the bat head as it is swinging around.

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So are you stating that during that clip, the only force that is acting on the barrel is gravity? I believe there is more to it than that.

 

[clemenslee1]

So are you stating that during that clip, the only force that is acting on the barrel is gravity? I believe there is more to it than that.

To initiate the start of the barrel I would say yes. At a certain point though hands etc. do start to torque the bat.

 

[Eric F]

To initiate the start of the barrel I would say yes. At a certain point though hands etc. do start to torque the bat.

Why would you not want to speed up the process by torquing the handle immediately?

 

[clemenslee1]

Why would you not want to speed up the process by torquing the handle immediately?

I'm not saying that it would not be beneficial in theory, but if we are going by what we see. I just don't see the hands at least in the video clip posted of any initial hand torquing.

 

[FP26]

To initiate the start of the barrel I would say yes. At a certain point though hands etc. do start to torque the bat.

I guess the debate is when that "certain point" occurs...

 

[clemenslee1]

I guess the debate is when that "certain point" occurs...

Agree, as I said to Eric f I just don't see it happening at initiation. If we going by what we see. Even when I try and swing a bat myself. I don't feel my hands doing any torque out at the gate.

 

[fanboi22]

Agree, as I said to Eric f I just don't see it happening at initiation. If we going by what we see. Even when I try and swing a bat myself. I don't feel my hands doing any torque out at the gate.

How about the hands as an extension of the elbow slot and forearms? I feel it as the bottom hand is leveling and getting on plane with the ball and the rear hand/forearm pulling the barrel down as the body tilts so the torque happens within the plane. Otherwise if you torque with just the hands/wrists to tap the catcher on the head you will dump the barrel below plane and never recover. If the hands are just along for the ride, i feel that you wouldn't be maximizing the swing. IMO.