Leap into 2022, USA rules change for pitching

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May 16, 2016
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if they approve leaping, is crow hopping allowed as well????

No. They are not the same thing.

But people who do not understand the rules will be yelling about it anyway... Crow Hopping has NOTHING to do with landing on sole of your foot.

Kelly Barnhill leaped occasionally, she did not crow hop.
 

RADcatcher

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Lol
adding more for umpires (& everyone) to have to figure out while they're still trying to be consistent with balls and strikes...👻

Let's play ball pitch it hit it!
 
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May 16, 2016
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How would you define it?
In NFHS video below, in both of the crow hop examples, the pitcher lands on his toes. It's the new starting point that makes it a crow hop, not how his foot lands. The emphasis on "replanting" is misplaced, due to poorly written and vague rules.

NFHS - Softball Pitching - Crow Hop Pitching

With leaping allowed, almost every pitcher is going to be landing on the back foot first, prior to releasing the ball. Below are a couple of men leaping. These are not crow hops. They are definitely replanting on their toes and getting a little bit of a push, but it's not a new starting point, so no crow hop.

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inumpire

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In NFHS video below, in both of the crow hop examples, the pitcher lands on his toes. It's the new starting point that makes it a crow hop, not how his foot lands. The emphasis on "replanting" is misplaced, due to poorly written and vague rules.

NFHS - Softball Pitching - Crow Hop Pitching

With leaping allowed, almost every pitcher is going to be landing on the back foot first, prior to releasing the ball. Below are a couple of men leaping. These are not crow hops. They are definitely replanting on their toes and getting a little bit of a push, but it's not a new starting point, so no crow hop.

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This going to be so very interesting.
 

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It's amazing that I was involved with softball when they stopped Leaping & Crow hopping decades ago...
big statement of 'no can do' was implemented.
Saw the difference in pitching before and after and now here we go again LOL...back to it leap'ish.
LEAP'ISH will happen! 😉

Just want to say good luck Discerning the difference between leaping and crow hopping!

Let the dust fly and land where it may. Yes that was a reference to pitching...
 
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Jan 6, 2018
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It's amazing that I was involved with softball when they stopped Leaping & Crow hopping decades ago...
big statement of 'no can do' was implemented.
Saw the difference in pitching before and after and now here we go again LOL...back to it leap'ish.
LEAP'ISH will happen! 😉

Just want to say good luck Discerning the difference between leaping and crow hopping!

Let the dust fly and land where it may. Yes that was a reference to pitching...
That's where I'm at - start and leave from the rubber, land in the circle/lane, and throw underhand. Sure some other things are necessary procedurally I'm sure, but the basic premise doesn't change. There's a strike zone...deliver the ball there or it's a ball. If the girls get too fast, move them back. But with with these bats and balls it's tough enough for the pitchers.
 
Dec 6, 2019
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Kelly Barnhill leaped occasionally, she did not crow hop.
Barnhill replanted on 100% of her pitches.

But it doesn't matter. It's never going to be called. Even if they allow leaping, it's not going to result in crow hops/replants suddenly being called now. You'll do yourself and your blood pressure a lot of favors if you just accept the fact that that particular rule will not be enforced.

If you're a pitcher's parent (or a pitcher), my advice to you is "join 'em." If you're not replanting already, start doing it. You'll fall behind otherwise.
 
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Jul 22, 2015
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In NFHS video below, in both of the crow hop examples, the pitcher lands on his toes. It's the new starting point that makes it a crow hop, not how his foot lands. The emphasis on "replanting" is misplaced, due to poorly written and vague rules.

NFHS - Softball Pitching - Crow Hop Pitching

With leaping allowed, almost every pitcher is going to be landing on the back foot first, prior to releasing the ball. Below are a couple of men leaping. These are not crow hops. They are definitely replanting on their toes and getting a little bit of a push, but it's not a new starting point, so no crow hop.

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We'll have to agree to disagree on pretty much every point.
 

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