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LAG Hinge angle Push Throw

Jun 17, 2009
15,118
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Portland, OR



So many questions, and so many vague responses, i will start over here and not on others threads.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jrKifl0IFeA


What is the definition of a push swing as in a bad way? Because many HL peoples have said the swing is a push.
Push? Pull? Throw?
Mann, it would help a great deal if you didn't confuse the topic so much.

For example, in this post you reference Donny focusing on the "bottom-hand wrist" and Sue who is focusing on the "top-hand wrist".

Clear questions will help lead to clear answers.

How does your inclusion of Donny's description of the "bottom-hand hinge angle" and Sue's description of the "top-hand wrist" tie into your interest in "pushing"?
 
Oct 10, 2011
1,572
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Pacific Northwest
Is this "pushing"


I understand the similarities to throwing, but try to throw something without your elbow leading your hand. That would be push.

The front arm pulls, the back arm must push out does it not? With force.

And i must add, most youth will Throw the bat at the ball. Very strong swing, sometimes they can even hit the ball.
Unfortunately, the elbow leading the hands is call bat drag (in most circles))
This image would be the proper way to throw the bat,
BatDrag_003.jpg

UNless, you just throw with your body, and your arms and hands are doing something else, and then no bat drag
 
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Jun 17, 2009
15,118
0
Portland, OR
Is this "pushing"


I understand the similarities to throwing, but try to throw something without your elbow leading your hand. That would be push.

The front arm pulls, the back arm must push out dose it not? With force.
Mann ... when comparing the 'throwing of a ball' to the 'swinging of a bat' ... consider that the 'wrist' in the 'swinging of a bat' is equivalent to the 'elbow' in the 'throwing of a ball'.
 
Jun 17, 2009
15,118
0
Portland, OR
Is this "pushing"


I understand the similarities to throwing, but try to throw something without your elbow leading your hand. That would be push.

The front arm pulls, the back arm must push out does it not? With force.

And i must add, most youth will Throw the bat at the ball. Very strong swing, sometimes they can even hit the ball.
Unfortunately, the elbow leading the hands is call bat drag (in most circles))
This image would be the proper way to throw the bat,
View attachment 13312

UNless, you just throw with your body, and your arms and hands are doing something else.
No Mann, this image is not "the proper way to throw the bat".
 
Jun 17, 2009
15,118
0
Portland, OR
C'mon Mann ... you are simply being foolish.

When you wrote "many HL peoples have said the swing is a push", was the notion of 'push' what is being described in this video you post of a frontal plane swing? I doubt it. Who are these "HL peoples" that claim to push that demonstrate a frontal plane swing as their swing?

I question if you are truly this lost .... or if this is just your way of making noise and having fun.

But what the heck ... I'll wait patiently for examples of "HL peoples" that claim they have a 'push swing' in which they swing in the frontal plane as demonstrated in this video.
 
Oct 10, 2011
1,572
38
Pacific Northwest
Mann ... when comparing the 'throwing of a ball' to the 'swinging of a bat' ... consider that the 'wrist' in the 'swinging of a bat' is equivalent to the 'elbow' in the 'throwing of a ball'.
I can understand that. In my mind a throw is not a bad analogy;

I myself still consider it more of a punch.


But instead of one arm, i use more structure, (hitters box) front elbow.

https://photos.smugmug.com/Other/Bagdrill/i-SGQsJwX/0/9fdedd70/640/JD front elbow-640.mp4
Like JD is showing his guys
https://photos.smugmug.com/Other/Bagdrill/i-K4cQ5Fq/0/8b634f45/640/jdpunch-640.mp4
 

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