is this believable

[Sweet Lou]

If they play tournaments in multiple alphabet soup organizations it's possible it was an honest mistake. Of course ignorance of the rules set you are playing under in a given tournament is no an excuse nor should it relieve you of any penalties that you face because of it.

 

[MadBandit22]

Last year as a coach, I contacted the TD via email to ask which Ghost bats were allowed. Never got a reply.

We had girls with both kinds, and I told them to use whatever they like since no one seemed to know. I had been watching other teams use both colors as well all season, so it seemed a safe assumption that both were allowed.

I’m not aware of any sanction that allows the 18 ASA Ghost and 19 USSSA Ghost to be used in same tournament. There may be one but I’m not aware of it. PGF maybe? We haven’t played that association yet so I haven’t bothered to check. I doubt they allow both Ghosts though.
19 Gold Ghost is Little League, and Utrip approved.
18 Blue Ghost is ASA, Middle School, High School, College, & International play.
Some of the other lesser associations like NSA ISF etc... also are specific on which Ghost you can use. We haven’t played those either so without looking them up don’t know specifics.
I’ve seen the Gold Ghost used for MS ball also but not sure it’s legal. No complaints so no issues.

 

[The Man In Blue]

Agreed. Shouldn't be difficult.

I'm happy to show you the tournament sign-up web site and see if you can tell me what sanction it is. None of us can tell.

Hence my email to the Tournament Director. And perhaps, the reason for no reply...

True uncdrew, and good point. If it is sanctioned, the sanctioning org will make sure their name is all over it (and their cut is paid for).

I should have covered non-sanctioned tournaments. Sorry about that. This is one reason I typically will not work baseball in the summer around here. Last two tournaments I did were unsanctioned and they couldn’t agree on what rule set they were using.

 

[The Man In Blue]

I’m not aware of any sanction that allows the 18 ASA Ghost and 19 USSSA Ghost to be used in same tournament. There may be one but I’m not aware of it. PGF maybe? We haven’t played that association yet so I haven’t bothered to check. I doubt they allow both Ghosts though.
19 Gold Ghost is Little League, and Utrip approved.
18 Blue Ghost is ASA, Middle School, High School, College, & International play.
Some of the other lesser associations like NSA ISF etc... also are specific on which Ghost you can use. We haven’t played those either so without looking them up don’t know specifics.
I’ve seen the Gold Ghost used for MS ball also but not sure it’s legal. No complaints so no issues.

PGF uses NFHS (school) rules, so only the ASA (blue) Ghost is legal.

If your MS is using NFHS rules (I won’t make that assumption), then the USSSA (gold) Ghost is NOT legal.

 

[_MIA_]

Keep in mind that these are coaches who I regularly hear (as in, every single game) yell and complain about umpires who "don't even know all the rules".

A lot of coaches seem to think they know all the rules yet cannot figure out how to position an IF/OF or when to bunt/steal/have a runner take an extra base...

 

[Travis Lassiter]

I’m not aware of any sanction that allows the 18 ASA Ghost and 19 USSSA Ghost to be used in same tournament. There may be one but I’m not aware of it. PGF maybe? We haven’t played that association yet so I haven’t bothered to check. I doubt they allow both Ghosts though.
19 Gold Ghost is Little League, and Utrip approved.
18 Blue Ghost is ASA, Middle School, High School, College, & International play.
Some of the other lesser associations like NSA ISF etc... also are specific on which Ghost you can use. We haven’t played those either so without looking them up don’t know specifics.
I’ve seen the Gold Ghost used for MS ball also but not sure it’s legal. No complaints so no issues.

Top Gun allows both.

 

[The Man In Blue]

Well, there you go. The reason I have started to make a conscious effort not to say “NO organization ...”

 

[The Man In Blue]

A lot of coaches seem to think they know all the rules yet cannot figure out how to position an IF/OF or when to bunt/steal/have a runner take an extra base...

And yet, umpires don’t get to yell at them about it.

“Coach, what the #$@! were you thinking sending that runner? That was awful! You’re terrible, we ALL know Becky isn’t that fast! Go back to coaching soccer!”

“Unbelievable! Who would bunt in that situation!?”

“It’s obvious your lineup is terrible! Everybody in the ballpark can see your daughter can’t pitch and Suzy should be batting fourth!”

 

[uncdrew]

True uncdrew, and good point. If it is sanctioned, the sanctioning org will make sure their name is all over it (and their cut is paid for).

I should have covered non-sanctioned tournaments. Sorry about that. This is one reason I typically will not work baseball in the summer around here. Last two tournaments I did were unsanctioned and they couldn’t agree on what rule set they were using.

Thanks to this discussion, I went and re-read their rules in the Word Doc they provide. Updates starting in Fall 2019 are highlighted:

 

[MadBandit22]

Top Gun allows both.

Ok thanks. Not familiar with Top Gun. Just checked and PGF follows NFHS High School rules so only Blue Ghost allowed.
PONY?