I guess it is my turn, my DD. Have at it so we can improve. 12 YO

[_MIA_]

Much like Ruth.There is no tilt until launch.

I agree with this. Swing (with proper upstream actions) causes the tilt imo.

 

[Bobby Shirer]

Griffey’s Head is in the middle at toe touch and during his forward move. Much like Ruth.There is no tilt until launch.

It seems Ruth’s upper body is leading in space during his forward move. So his COG is not back. It’s in the middle.

Did you even read the post? I said Ruth's COG is forward not back. If it were in the middle he wouldn't move forward. The simple act of walking involves moving your hips (cog) first and creating a forward fall and then catching yourself by swinging a leg forward. Can't walk, run, or move without moving the cog.
At no point is either Ruth's or Griffey's head leading or in front of their hips.
It's as though you want to argue everything instead of trying to understand.
And you're wrong about the rotational movement needing to stop to transfer to the bat. Swing a rope around you and it will extend even though you keep swinging it. Angular momentum.....study it.

 

[Bobby Shirer]

I agree with this. Swing (with proper upstream actions) causes the tilt imo.

What proper upstream actions?

 

[_MIA_]

What proper upstream actions?

Proper move out which doesn't put the shoulders upside down along with a swing launch which turns the barrel forward from a stretched core. You see Trout tilting before he launches?

 

[Work=wins]

Did you even read the post? I said Ruth's COG is forward not back. If it were in the middle he wouldn't move forward. The simple act of walking involves moving your hips (cog) first and creating a forward fall and then catching yourself by swinging a leg forward. Can't walk, run, or move without moving the cog.
At no point is either Ruth's or Griffey's head leading or in front of their hips.
It's as though you want to argue everything instead of trying to understand.
And you're wrong about the rotational movement needing to stop to transfer to the bat. Swing a rope around you and it will extend even though you keep swinging it. Angular momentum.....study it.

Bobby I don’t think our definitions of COG are the same. I am talking about the middle of the body. Not sure what you’re speaking of.

Yes the COG moves. But with a reach or pushing the hips in front while tilting back, the cog moves too late. Compensations will ensue.

If one is to stay balanced, the spine should stay centered not tilted back.

 

[Bobby Shirer]

Proper move out which doesn't put the shoulders upside down along with a swing launch which turns the barrel forward from a stretched core. You see Trout tilting before he launches?

I see Trout planting his front leg as an anchor point and then I see the line of from that front foot to his head.....aaaa......tilted?

 

[Work=wins]

Bobby,

Angular momentum is part of the equation but without efficient force production. There isn’t any control or adjustability.

No matter how much you want to make it about power. Control is just as if not more important.

You wanna drive a dragster on a back mountain race track. Hitting at the higher levels is not that simple.

 

[Bobby Shirer]

Bobby I don’t think our definitions of COG are the same. I am talking about the middle of the body. Not sure what you’re speaking of.

Yes the COG moves. But with a reach or pushing the hips in front while tilting back, the cog moves too late. Compensations will ensue.

If one is to stay balanced, the spine should stay centered not tilted back.

That could explain it. I use the classic definition where in a standing human the center of gravity is in the pelvic region and when this is moved the center if gravity moves. Using this definiton, if you push the hips forward first, the center of gravity moves first and so it doesn't move too late.

In your definiton, if you move the middle of the body first , how does the center of gravity move late?
And if your head isn't out front, how are you not tilted back?

In my definition, I can also move my center of gravity with enough force that I can temporarily stand against a wall merely by sticking my foot in front of my hips and keeping my head back.

 

[Bobby Shirer]

Bobby,

Angular momentum is part of the equation but without efficient force production. There isn’t any control or adjustability.

No matter how much you want to make it about power. Control is just as if not more important.

You wanna drive a dragster on a back mountain race track. Hitting at the higher levels is not that simple.

That's wrong, without efficient force production there's no force. Force production has absolutely no influence on control. When I bunt, I'm producing no force but I have maximum control. And if control is so important, why can't I hit dingers by bunting?

Angular momentum allows efficient force production. What do you think the whole rotational hitting craze is about?

What ???? Hitting at a high level is difficult? Actually, hitting a ball is just physics. A simple machine can be built. What's hard is hitting a pitcher who is trying to fool you. See Pujols v. Finch.

There is no magic to hitting. There are folks out there who believe it and they make the physics unbelievably complicated. They use anacronyms, made up terminology, and distorted definitions to confuse others into joining them in that belief.
They are self anointed experts who, if you ask them to, can't base any of their reasoning in physics.

 

[Work=wins]

That could explain it. I use the classic definition where in a standing human the center of gravity is in the pelvic region and when this is moved the center if gravity moves. Using this definiton, if you push the hips forward first, the center of gravity moves first and so it doesn't move too late.

In your definiton, if you move the middle of the body first , how does the center of gravity move late?
And if your head isn't out front, how are you not tilted back?

In my definition, I can also move my center of gravity with enough force that I can temporarily stand against a wall merely by sticking my foot in front of my hips and keeping my head back.

Guess not. COM(the hips are not the cog, the bb is)will be late to the ball if tilted back before launch ensues. It starts it’s forward move too late. Compensations like snapping(casting)the barrel rearward will be needed to catch up.

Again Bobby, nothing you say matches what video says. Problem right?

This was the very thing the young hitter in this thread was suffering from. Did you not see it? The OP did. What are you missing?

You still haven’t produce a tilted(hips forward) before launch hitter like you said. They are all stacked, head over bb, bb in the center. Waiting...