How Pitching Illegally Comes Back to Haunt You

[Vertigo]

So are you saying they put this girl out there, knowing she’d likely get called on it, just to hope that a rule change will follow? Not caring about the outcome of an elimination game??

 

[radness]

So are you saying they put this girl out there, knowing she’d likely get called on it, just to hope that a rule change will follow? Not caring about the outcome of an elimination game??

Well with umpires that are 50/50 they don't know for sure she would be called on it. Certainly isn't the first time that type of thing happen.

Illegal pitches can still be hit. I do not think what the pitcher does legally or not dictates who wins the game.

Definitely think that the umpires get used as a tool to expose disruptions in the game to influence changing rules.

I brought up a lot of rule changes that all favored the offense. Why do you think those rules changed?

 

[Vertigo]

Illegal pitches can still be hit. I do not think what the pitcher does legally or not dictates who wins the game.

When it puts girls on base who actually struck out and caused bases to be loaded and caused a run to be walked in (as happened in this particular game) then yes, it can totally dictate a game. That run and the next run that scored on a WP (by the new pitcher) were both runs that scored due to bases being loaded by IP being called. The game was lost by one run (2-3).

 

[radness]

When it puts girls on base who actually struck out and caused bases to be loaded and caused a run to be walked in (as happened in this particular game) then yes, it can totally dictate a game. That run and the next run that scored on a WP (by the new pitcher) were both runs that reached base due to IP being called. The game was lost by one run (2-3).

There are far more inconsistencies with umpire's calling ball & strikes than anything else in the game.

Every pitch has its own decision.
That influences the game.

(Like batters being hit by pitches that they don't have to make an attempt to move out of the way. And can just stand there and get hit and be awarded first base.)

There were probably other opportunities within that game that teams could have scored and failed to optimize.


Who knows what other reasons why a coach would have pitched that pitcher and not pitched another. There certainly is favoritism for multitude of reasons.
I never think the game rides on one person.
Good luck with your topic just added my perspective have a great day

 

[Rolling Hard]

For the love of God, why does it take 2 to 4 years to solve this problem. The powers to be need to get in a room and not come out until they have fixed it. This problem is hurting the game. Viewers/fans don't want to see IP called and slowing the game down and taking away from the rest of the game. I truly despise bureaucracies.

 

[cvsoftball]

As an instructor who works with 10U/12U pitchers by choice, you can bet they are all taught how to pitch according to the current rules. I can see no reason whatsoever to teach any other way. The philosophy of it's not cheating unless you get caught is bull scheisse.

 

[Hillhouse]

The rule will be changed, eventually. It has to. Pitchers only started leaping and hopping to combat the growing advantages the hitters had with polycore balls, composite bats, slapping, and smaller strikezones. I'm not justifying it, I'm just explaining it. That's how and why it started.

This whole thing is like watching a 2nd act of the men's fastpitch world. This exact problem started in the 1980's. Umpires would call IP's and people complained. Then they allowed the "leap" to appease the players and that turned into the wild west where we have no rules in men's FP except "don't throw overhand". That's basically the only rule in North America men's softball.

Looking ahead in my crystal ball: once they allow the leap, which they will, then everyone will start complaining that Sally isn't leaping... she's crow hopping. But umpires who can barely get things right now, will be forced to distinguish if a pitcher is leaping or crow hopping. Many umps will get that wrong too. I'm not trying to bash umpires, but my students come to me week after week saying they were called Illegal for things like not "presenting the ball" (which isn't a rule) and umpires confusing the start back vs. step back. Not only are the multiple rules confusing the players, but the umps are getting lost too. These are basic things, not complicated opinions like if a pitcher is replanting or not. And of course, coaches can't say anything because there's an umpire shortage and we need all the umps we can get.... even if they don't know the rules.

From experience, I grew up learning to pitch in the 1980's with 1 foot on the rubber and no real restrictions on jumping, replanting, etc. So, I watched what my hero's were doing and many of them were not just jumping from the rubber, they were BUSTING off there with extreme power. Many of them went airborne as they did this. So, wanting to emulate them, I did that too. Then, October 1990, I landed in New Zealand for my first season there and had to pitch with 2 feet on the rubber and very restrictive rules. NZ used the international rules for pitching, which were the same for men and women. These rules were the same as what girls had to use 3 years ago, before being allowed to have 1 foot on the rubber. Well, I had never done that before and I had to almost relearn how to pitch, while facing world class hitters. So to say changing one's pitching doesn't happen overnight is an understatement!!

 

[Gtrips07]

The rule will be changed, eventually. It has to. Pitchers only started leaping and hopping to combat the growing advantages the hitters had with polycore balls, composite bats, slapping, and smaller strikezones. I'm not justifying it, I'm just explaining it. That's how and why it started.

This whole thing is like watching a 2nd act of the men's fastpitch world. This exact problem started in the 1980's. Umpires would call IP's and people complained. Then they allowed the "leap" to appease the players and that turned into the wild west where we have no rules in men's FP except "don't throw overhand". That's basically the only rule in North America men's softball.

Looking ahead in my crystal ball: once they allow the leap, which they will, then everyone will start complaining that Sally isn't leaping... she's crow hopping. But umpires who can barely get things right now, will be forced to distinguish if a pitcher is leaping or crow hopping. Many umps will get that wrong too. I'm not trying to bash umpires, but my students come to me week after week saying they were called Illegal for things like not "presenting the ball" (which isn't a rule) and umpires confusing the start back vs. step back. Not only are the multiple rules confusing the players, but the umps are getting lost too. These are basic things, not complicated opinions like if a pitcher is replanting or not. And of course, coaches can't say anything because there's an umpire shortage and we need all the umps we can get.... even if they don't know the rules.

From experience, I grew up learning to pitch in the 1980's with 1 foot on the rubber and no real restrictions on jumping, replanting, etc. So, I watched what my hero's were doing and many of them were not just jumping from the rubber, they were BUSTING off there with extreme power. Many of them went airborne as they did this. So, wanting to emulate them, I did that too. Then, October 1990, I landed in New Zealand for my first season there and had to pitch with 2 feet on the rubber and very restrictive rules. NZ used the international rules for pitching, which were the same for men and women. These rules were the same as what girls had to use 3 years ago, before being allowed to have 1 foot on the rubber. Well, I had never done that before and I had to almost relearn how to pitch, while facing world class hitters. So to say changing one's pitching doesn't happen overnight is an understatement!!

Bill, if this was the cause why aren't all pitchers leaping then?

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[LEsoftballdad]

What I'd like to know is if you'd consider this illegal. The pitcher started with her foot on the rubber and slid it forward before pushing off. For the record, the umpire never called it, but she did it in every single pitch.

 

[mmeece]

What I'd like to know is if you'd consider this illegal. The pitcher started with her foot on the rubber and slid it forward before pushing off. For the record, the umpire never called it, but she did it in every single pitch.

If it slides forward before the push then yes, and that isn't hard to see as an umpire.