He is incorrect that it a judgement call, but if he clearly saw no tag, he is under no obligation to ask for more info from his partner. But unless it was REALLY clear and I had a great view of the tag and play, I am going to go ask for more info most of the time and I will go before the coach comes out if I think I need to. There is no reason not to.I did have an incident this weekend where a field ump made a call on a tag where he wasn’t in position to see the tag. Called her safe. I politely called time and went to discuss. He said she did not tag her. I asked him, In a very polite way, if he would ask the plate ump to get his perspective. He said it was a judgement call and he he wouldn’t confer with the PU.
The plate ump should have waved you away at this point and he absolutley should not have went out to talk to his partner. You have nothing valid to say to the plate umpire at this stage. It isn't his call to control or discuss without the FU and BY RULE he is not allowed to change the partners call.I Went to the plate ump and told him of the conversation and told him I followed every step I’ve ever been told to follow and the FU refused. He went out and talked to him for a second, but the FU would not grant the appeal.
This matches most if what I said above. I appreciate that you asked in a professional manner, but that alone is not a reason to ask for more info - the field umpire still would have to agree that there is a chance of more info.After the game, I saw them 2 talking for quite a while at the rubber. The PU came up to me a Little while later and said the field umpire was incorrect, it was not a judgment call and he should have granted the appeal since I did so in a professional manner. He said had the umpire appealed to him, he would’ve made the correct call. But he could not do so unless the field umpire initiated the appeal.
This has gotten better in the years I have been umpiring. Old school baseball umpires used to NEVER changed their calls.So while I put 95% of blame on the parents and some coaches, some umps can be stubborn and get me mad as hell. Lol