For those analyzing BB swings for a reference to hit in FP

[efastball]

Why are we still talking all this nonsense. Baseball pitches come in around 9-10 deg. I just showed the chart where fastpitch pitches come in at a DOWNARD angle of 7-8 deg. That's almost identical.

The science is settled.

 

[radness]

You practice swing at pitches at your neck?? Come on, man, we're talking about pitches in the strike zone (see below)

Fastpitch balls coming in the strike zone are all coming in at a downward angle like baseball. You MUST swing using an upward launch angle, or the ball will go straight to the ground and never miss the infield.

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Are you ignoring its a different angle?
Or
Saying its the same angle?

 

[efastball]

Maybe the easiest pitch to get hitters to swing at is the high hard one, fast pitch or baseball. Might as well practice how to hit moon shots out of the park . Attitude is everything.

99% of people can't hit balls IN the strike zone. I think I would focus on that until I was playing pro.

 

[radness]

Why are we still talking all this nonsense. Baseball pitches come in around 9-10 deg. I just showed the chart where fastpitch pitches come in at a DOWNARD angle of 7-8 deg. That's almost identical.






The science is settled.

Disagree.
Because there is greater variance between what you posted.

 

[efastball]

Are you ignoring its a different angle?
Or
Saying its the same angle?

I'm saying you dont swing at pitches out of the strike zone. I could throw a pitch up to the roof and the angle would be 90 deg, and I'm not going to PRACTICE swinging at that. We shouldn't practice swinging at balls in the dirt either.

We have to concern ourselves with how to practice swinging at pitches coming in at a downward angle of 7-8 for fastpitch, or 8-9 for baseball. You should be using a bat launch angle of 20-30 deg to get the ball to go out of the infield. If you use zero launch angle (flat) or downward, the ball distance cant reach 50 feet.

Your kid's biggest enemy is time. Don't waste time on things that are counterproductive, or destructive.

I'm here to help. I've been doing this a long time. I don't make money doing this, not an instructor, or an Instagram star.

 

[BigSkyHi]

99% of people can't hit balls IN the strike zone. I think I would focus on that until I was playing pro.

Here's an interesting thread

LEARN TO HIT THE RISEBALL

Learn to hit the riseball ! After reading so much passion about the riseball, Seems to be a great topic! To dispel the myth that the riseball is not thrown for a strike~ * It is thrown for a strike. * Can be thrown for a strike. * Is not always thrown for a strike. The wonderful thing about...

www.discussfastpitch.com

 

[radness]

I'm saying you dont swing at pitches out of the strike zone. I could throw a pitch up to the roof and the angle would be 90 deg, and I'm not going to PRACTICE swinging at that. We shouldn't practice swinging at balls in the dirt either.

We have to concern ourselves with how to practice swinging at pitches coming in at a downward angle of 7-8 for fastpitch, or 8-9 for baseball. You should be using a bat launch angle of 20-30 deg to get the ball to go out of the infield. If you use zero launch angle (flat) or downward, the ball distance cant reach 50 feet.

Your kid's biggest enemy is time. Don't waste time on things that are counterproductive, or destructive.

I'm here to help. I've been doing this a long time. I don't make money doing this, not an instructor, or an Instagram star.

This is an example of one the best reasons to post on DFP. The opportunity to bring topics up to think about!

Without any doubt.
There are pitches called strikes that are out of the strikezone!

For anybody to ignore pitchers setting up batters.
The use of the area outside the strikezone.
Ignoring these facts will hinder success.

Glad you have been doing this a long time. Hope you are still enjoying the sport!
Please take a look at the post in practical hitting
SHOULD BATTERS TRAIN ON PITCHES OUT OF THE ZONE.
perhaps you will add to the discussion!

 

[julray]

I'm saying you dont swing at pitches out of the strike zone. I could throw a pitch up to the roof and the angle would be 90 deg, and I'm not going to PRACTICE swinging at that. We shouldn't practice swinging at balls in the dirt either.

We have to concern ourselves with how to practice swinging at pitches coming in at a downward angle of 7-8 for fastpitch, or 8-9 for baseball. You should be using a bat launch angle of 20-30 deg to get the ball to go out of the infield. If you use zero launch angle (flat) or downward, the ball distance cant reach 50 feet.

Your kid's biggest enemy is time. Don't waste time on things that are counterproductive, or destructive.

I'm here to help. I've been doing this a long time. I don't make money doing this, not an instructor, or an Instagram star.

If we are only swinging at strikes, then how far does the ball need to drop for a strike?
Avg pitchers vertical release point is 75 Inches
Avg top of strike zone is 41 inches
Avg bottom of strike zone is 21 inches

 

[julray]

Drop ball and change up, and combination of drop curve etc all dip. I agree the swing plane needs to match the plane of the pitch and posture established dictates that. However I’ve seen many times over the years some fast pitch pitchers have a natural rise.. what I mean by that is their fast ball is flatter because they get under the ball and apply a spin they don’t even intend on doing. I’ve seen our girls struggle for the first couple of innings against kids like this... they didn’t react correctly, their instincts were off etc. It wasn’t until we(coach) told them that her fast ball wasnt dropping, flatter trajectory and you need to stay on top of the ball more. Then the girls started hitting the pitcher. Of course that’s whey they laddies who can pitch drop, rise etc are so effective.

 

[Bobby Shirer]

Its unfortunet BS that while you may have some experience to offer. You dont want recognize the topic.
As a ball player your camaraderie and sportsmanship is lacking!

It's usual and customary on this site to attack the person when the argument is lost.
Do you feel like you've lost just because I questioned your data?
Recognize the topic? My question was focused on pitch plane differences and the source of the data. What's the topic again?