But isn't a normal change up intentionally deceptive? Not considered unsportsmanlike at all.IMO, it looks like a good changeup. Why be unsportsmanlike by being intentionally deceptive? Throw your good change up without the (illegal) deception .
I've head it called a California change before. Had a pitcher throw one to a hitter of mine several years back. It was a beauty and she was legal with no arm circle continuation after the release. The umpire called an illegal pitch. He used the word "Deception." when he made the call. I knew the pitch was legal. The coach of the other team did not know how to argue the call correctly. She kept saying the pitcher has never been called illegal when throwing it before. She didn't know the pitching rules well enough to ask the umpire exactly what part of the delivery was illegal. I kept quiet marking the free run in the scorebook instead of the 3rd out of the inning.
IMO, it looks like a good changeup. Why be unsportsmanlike by being intentionally deceptive? Throw your good change up without the (illegal) deception .
But isn't a normal change up intentionally deceptive? Not considered unsportsmanlike at all.
Should this pitch just be labelled uncommon?
Yeah watched it a couple times quickly and even slowed it down a couple times and was still kinda confused, especially without the rules clarification.I feel sorry for the umpires. I watched it 10 times on replay before I could see what was going on. They have one chance, in real time, to see the play and make the call. That pitch is filthy.
But isn't a normal change up intentionally deceptive? Not considered unsportsmanlike at all.
Should this pitch just be labelled uncommon?
Yeah watched it a couple times quickly and even slowed it down a couple times and was still kinda confused, especially without the rules clarification.
but to another posters point I would really have a hard time accepting a ruling that said it was deceptive if she pitched a legitimate slingshot pitch but the umpire called it deceiving that would be simply wrong, umpires don't get to dictate a pitchers deliver as long as it is legal it is legal, Not sure exactly how you would apply that to a quick pitch since that seems subjective too.For all my talk of why and how umpires missed it along with coaches, etc, etc, if you are taking umpiring seriously and are umpiring 18U PGF there really is ZERO real excuses for not knowing this. There is a case study. It is discussed regularly. Even if you miss it the first time, it is unusual enough that you SHOULD be discussing it with other umpires or the UIC.
First - the pitch is illegal because the rules specifically say that it is. It was made illegal years and years ago I suspect because it deceives by trying to pretend the ball hasn't even been released yet.
A normal change up is legal because the rules say it is. It deceives by being a different speed or spin or movement of the ball in flight and how you affect how the ball travels to the batter. But you are not pretending you still have the ball and are still in a pitching motion. In terms of how someone might put it - it is within the spirit of the game and how a pitch is a pitch.
These are really just good guesses on my part since the rules itself was put in place way before my time.
but to another posters point I would really have a hard time accepting a ruling that said it was deceptive if she pitched a legitimate slingshot pitch but the umpire called it deceiving that would be simply wrong, umpires don't get to dictate a pitchers deliver as long as it is legal it is legal, Not sure exactly how you would apply that to a quick pitch since that seems subjective too.
but to another posters point I would really have a hard time accepting a ruling that said it was deceptive if she pitched a legitimate slingshot pitch but the umpire called it deceiving that would be simply wrong, umpires don't get to dictate a pitchers deliver as long as it is legal it is legal, Not sure exactly how you would apply that to a quick pitch since that seems subjective too.