Fauci Says there is a way sports (ie Professional Sports) can resume this summer.... this does not sound good for softball to return before fall...

[BlaineAB]

To be extra-careful, drink the disinfectant in a sauna heated to 180 degrees.

 

[Ken Krause]

There are a couple of other considerations about tournaments as well.

One is on the participants. Let's say the tournament is held in a county where there have been no cases reported. Seems safe, right? Perfect way to get some softball in.

If you only allow teams from that immediate area into the tournament it's still probably relatively safe, unless Grandma and Grandpa come to watch from a place where there are cases. Now the risk is increased slightly. The problem is, the areas that are "safe" tend to be rural and sparsely populated, so there may not be enough teams to form a tournament. So you need to invite teams from other areas. Tough to police that, so you let anyone come in.

Now, those counties that were COVID-19-free have people coming in from hot spots. They're not sick, or showing any symptoms yet, but they could be carrying it in. So at that point a percentage of the people at that tournament are exposed (if not everyone), and those who are carry it back to their hometowns, some of which hadn't been exposed. As long as the number of cases in hot spot areas is relatively high the risk is high.

The other side is tournament directors and the current culture here in the good ol' U.S.A. Do you think if someone suspects they caught COVID-19 at a tournament (or a bunch of people get it after attending a tournament) that the tournament sponsor, tournament director, and everyone else within earshot won't be sued? Not saying it's right, but it's what happens. People make bad decisions then sue others when they get hurt all the time. Especially if there are deep pockets to be picked.

 

[Cougars]

Just drink a little disinfectant, you will be fine

Been told all my life that alcohol kills germs, so I've definitely been doing my part. Brought a 6-pack of bottled margaritas to the office today....

 

[radness]

There are a couple of other considerations about tournaments as well.

One is on the participants. Let's say the tournament is held in a county where there have been no cases reported. Seems safe, right? Perfect way to get some softball in.

If you only allow teams from that immediate area into the tournament it's still probably relatively safe, unless Grandma and Grandpa come to watch from a place where there are cases. Now the risk is increased slightly. The problem is, the areas that are "safe" tend to be rural and sparsely populated, so there may not be enough teams to form a tournament. So you need to invite teams from other areas. Tough to police that, so you let anyone come in.

Now, those counties that were COVID-19-free have people coming in from hot spots. They're not sick, or showing any symptoms yet, but they could be carrying it in. So at that point a percentage of the people at that tournament are exposed (if not everyone), and those who are carry it back to their hometowns, some of which hadn't been exposed. As long as the number of cases in hot spot areas is relatively high the risk is high.

The other side is tournament directors and the current culture here in the good ol' U.S.A. Do you think if someone suspects they caught COVID-19 at a tournament (or a bunch of people get it after attending a tournament) that the tournament sponsor, tournament director, and everyone else within earshot won't be sued? Not saying it's right, but it's what happens. People make bad decisions then sue others when they get hurt all the time. Especially if there are deep pockets to be picked.

New addition to liability claus?

 

[BlaineAB]

There are a couple of other considerations about tournaments as well.

One is on the participants. Let's say the tournament is held in a county where there have been no cases reported. Seems safe, right? Perfect way to get some softball in.

If you only allow teams from that immediate area into the tournament it's still probably relatively safe, unless Grandma and Grandpa come to watch from a place where there are cases. Now the risk is increased slightly. The problem is, the areas that are "safe" tend to be rural and sparsely populated, so there may not be enough teams to form a tournament. So you need to invite teams from other areas. Tough to police that, so you let anyone come in.

Now, those counties that were COVID-19-free have people coming in from hot spots. They're not sick, or showing any symptoms yet, but they could be carrying it in. So at that point a percentage of the people at that tournament are exposed (if not everyone), and those who are carry it back to their hometowns, some of which hadn't been exposed. As long as the number of cases in hot spot areas is relatively high the risk is high.

The other side is tournament directors and the current culture here in the good ol' U.S.A. Do you think if someone suspects they caught COVID-19 at a tournament (or a bunch of people get it after attending a tournament) that the tournament sponsor, tournament director, and everyone else within earshot won't be sued? Not saying it's right, but it's what happens. People make bad decisions then sue others when they get hurt all the time. Especially if there are deep pockets to be picked.

Even with covid-19 riders written into insurance policies and tourney waivers, we live in a litigious society, lawsuits will be a deterrent, for sure.

In some areas of the country, like here in MA, teams thinking about playing this summer (if allowed) might have some players decide not to participate because of their living situation.
My 80 year old in-laws are with us for the foreseeable future, I have a hard time seeing MA being safe this summer for my daughter to play.

 

[texasheat]

Oh, wow, you actually researched that? LOL You presume that your comparison of cherry picked statistics is meaningful in the first place. Simply, it is not.

One, you are comparing annual deaths with what, 3 or 4 months of Covid 19 data? There are something like 3 Trillion vehicle miles traveled in the US each year, and only 36,000 deaths. That is like 83 Million miles traveled per death. That is an incredibly low level of risk vs exposure.

Finally, we are in the middle of this Covid 19 thing... Likely we will hit 80k deaths before end of summer. Then its going to hit us again in the Fall and winter. We will likely be at 120k or higher by the end of a year. And you presume death is the only negative outcome, when the reality is, if you are hospitalized with Covid 19, and recover, you will likely never be the same. Lung scaring, organ damage, cardiac issues have all been reported by survivors. There are reports of blood clotting in youth and young adults with mild Covid 19 symptoms, causing strokes and heart attacks. These are just now being connected to the infection, so the young and healthy may not be as safe as once thought.

"Dr. Thomas Oxley, a neurosurgeon at Mount Sinai Health System in New York, and colleagues gave details of five people they treated. All were under the age of 50, and all had either mild symptoms of Covid-19 infection or no symptoms at all. "The virus seems to be causing increased clotting in the large arteries, leading to severe stroke," Oxley told CNN. "

Covid-19 causes sudden strokes in young adults, doctors say | CNN

The new coronavirus appears to be causing sudden strokes in adults in their 30s and 40s who are not otherwise terribly ill, doctors reported Wednesday.

www.cnn.com

Weekly death rate comparison...

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See if you can follow along. I said UNDER 60 WITH NO UNDERLYING CONDITIONS. You on the other hand show a chart listing ALL FATALITIES. You're comparing apples to bananas.

 

[texasheat]

I seriously doubt the tournament will consist only of teams from that county. Will teams from other counties/states be willing to travel? Stay in hotels? Etc. Will all members of the team feel the same way? If enough players/parents have reservations about playing on that date will the teams be able to find enough replacements in time to play?

Bottom line is this. If people are willing, that's fine. That's their decision. My team and my daughter would not be there. Later in the summer, maybe. But not that soon.

You are welcome to make your decision. I will make mine.

Certainly it's a personal decision. My opinion is that as more and more data like the data below becomes public, this LOCAL tournament and others like it will have no problem drawing good numbers.

 

[Gambler Bob]

See if you can follow along. I said UNDER 60 WITH NO UNDERLYING CONDITIONS. You on the other hand show a chart listing ALL FATALITIES. You're comparing apples to bananas.

I also read wheresmycar's post. This was the first thing that popped into my mind after reading that post.

 

[radness]

My 80 year old in-laws are with us for the foreseeable future, I have a hard time seeing MA being safe this summer for my daughter to play.

Understandable!
How long then does forseeeable future last?
Asking if say no vaccine til next year or?...how long to wait?

 

[texasheat]

There are a couple of other considerations about tournaments as well.

One is on the participants. Let's say the tournament is held in a county where there have been no cases reported. Seems safe, right? Perfect way to get some softball in.

If you only allow teams from that immediate area into the tournament it's still probably relatively safe, unless Grandma and Grandpa come to watch from a place where there are cases. Now the risk is increased slightly. The problem is, the areas that are "safe" tend to be rural and sparsely populated, so there may not be enough teams to form a tournament. So you need to invite teams from other areas. Tough to police that, so you let anyone come in.

Now, those counties that were COVID-19-free have people coming in from hot spots. They're not sick, or showing any symptoms yet, but they could be carrying it in. So at that point a percentage of the people at that tournament are exposed (if not everyone), and those who are carry it back to their hometowns, some of which hadn't been exposed. As long as the number of cases in hot spot areas is relatively high the risk is high.

The other side is tournament directors and the current culture here in the good ol' U.S.A. Do you think if someone suspects they caught COVID-19 at a tournament (or a bunch of people get it after attending a tournament) that the tournament sponsor, tournament director, and everyone else within earshot won't be sued? Not saying it's right, but it's what happens. People make bad decisions then sue others when they get hurt all the time. Especially if there are deep pockets to be picked.

Again....................................If you are under 60 with no underlying conditions, you have a .0089% of dying from Covid-19. Couple that with the half life data for the virus outdoors in the heat and it goes even lower.

There won't be any deaths at the softball fields for anyone to file lawsuits about. You guys are worried about things that don't exist.