Ken,
Simple and complicated are relative terms...could you define them so I can better answer your question?
You get the idea!
Keith
LOL. Yes, this is the problem with trying to describe complex and dynamic athletic movements with mere words. They often don't do the job we want them to do. Much easier to show people than describe it.
Ken
In the second photo you posted, yes, I would say that still meets your definition of elbow up. The second photo is Albert right after his load just prior to launch. This is the only position we say really matters. Everything prior to that is personality and style.
The thing is, in the first photo Alberts elbow would be down by that definition and in the second photo the elbow is up by your definition, even though Alberts elbow has not moved.
I understand your definition now though as the elbow being up or down relative to the hands, up being even with the hands and down being below the hands with the V.