Our LF came charging in on a short pop up, made the catch, took 4 steps and did a shoulder roll and quickly popped up, on way up, the ball came out of her mitt and hit the grass, catch or no?
Not a catch. Fielder must demonstrate control and/or voluntary release of the ball or have possession long enough to demonstrate control. If immediately after the catch the fielder collides with another fielder, the fence etc or falls to the ground and loses control of the ball it is not a catch.
I kind of figured that, coach was arguing it was a transfer. What would happen if the LF caught a easy fly ball For third out, then Started to jog in and ball fell out of the glove after 2-3 steps, would you call that a catch?
I kind of figured that, coach was arguing it was a transfer. What would happen if the LF caught a easy fly ball For third out, then Started to jog in and ball fell out of the glove after 2-3 steps, would you call that a catch?
Question, from your description I am envisioning an outfielder on a dead run going after a ball and is out of control when they catch the ball and ultimately goes to the ground losing control of the ball. Is that what happened?
There is a case play covering what you described in your 2nd post. It talks about a fielder that catches a ball and while jogging off the field trips over 3rd base falling and drops the ball. In that case they consider it a caught ball since the fielder demonstrated control of the ball for a sufficient period of time. But, if the fielder is still out of control running and going to the ground and loses the ball, that is not a catch.
If the extra steps and shoulder roll were all seen by the umpire as part of the act of catching the ball, I can see why it wasn't ruled a catch. Someone catching a ball, demonstrating control, and then tripping while jogging isn't the same thing.
I still do not understand how the ground cannot cause a fumble, but it can cause an incomplete pass. Same action, different players, different results. But I digress ...
I’m tending to agree with @Comp , but I could be convinced otherwise with video.
As for “the transfer” ... the catch must be made and completed first.