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Oct 13, 2014
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The example you posted is indeed very short,
and Kendrick is a great hitter...

But his swing DOES rely more on his timing being ON,
than a Hitter that TTB more early in the swing, and can get the bat on plane earlier, which allows them to "let the ball get deeper".

You see TTB guys making good, hard contact even with their body.
Kendrick swing forces him to make contact further out more even with front foot.

I'm not necessarily saying one is better than the other,
but TTB DOES seems to produce a bat path that is in a hitting plane longer....
Which is what a lot os posts in this threat tout as an advantage

Been there done that. Once you get to a higher level. Offspeed and hard inside heat are gonna destroy your ‘deep’ contact point. The release of the bat should be adjustable... just like your body positioning. That’s how you get to different pitches. If not your a guess hitter at best when you get to the upper levels. There never is a full confidence in what your swing is.. Ever had doubts while playing sports? How does that usually work out?


When my DD used TTB she hit great... in HS. Travel season came around, she did fine. When natls came. She couldn’t touch the ball. Change ups and guessing killed her confidence and ability to adjust. These pitchers were the same she would be facing in college. I knew then, a change was needed.

You have been mislead sir. If hitting were that easy, EVERYONE would TTB. The only time the barrel is level or close to level with the hands early is on an outside pitch. Because the release is earlier. But in reality is it really on plane? Not really. Think of the horizontal plane. The release should be adjustable north south, east and west. TTB is not adjustable at all. North south release at the same point in the swing no matter the pitch.

Don’t believe me. check your ‘deep’ contacts points with what the best do. Does it match? There is your answer.
 
Oct 13, 2014
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Disclaimer: turn the barrel does work. But it’s not what the best do. There are holes in this approach. Release points and contacts points are set and cannot be adjusted. When your first move is to release the barrel. What else would you think the result would be?
 
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Disclaimer: turn the barrel does work. But it’s not what the best do. There are holes in this approach. Release points and contacts points are set and cannot be adjusted. When your first move is to release the barrel. What else would you think the result would be.
What is TTB and the differences between it and your philosophy?
Ie i get Turn The Barrel But How is what your saying different. ?


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rdbass

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Not here.
Disclaimer: turn the barrel does work. But it’s not what the best do.
It's what the 'best' do (TTB). Stop trying to confuse posters.
Not what the 'best' do......below are you and your BBD posse philosophy spin.
Release points and contacts points are set and cannot be adjusted. When your first move is to release the barrel. What else would you think the result would be.
 
Oct 13, 2014
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South Cali
It's what the 'best' do (TTB). Stop trying to confuse posters.
Not what the 'best' do......below are you and your BBD posse philosophy spin.
I was referring to the ‘deep’ bat on plane reference. The one Corlay and Bobby are promoting. TTB is not a planing mechanic. Are you referring to the ‘swivel’ or release of the barrel tight to the forearm? Which has a whole other set of problems. But is much better than ‘turn it behind you’.

The only TTB I advocate for is one of direction not release . As you know. Which is a ‘no teach’ if the hands are right.

I’m not trying to mislead anyone. I want the hands on plane and barrel out of plane at swing launch.

Like this:

 
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I was referring to the ‘deep’ bat on plane reference. The one Corlay and Bobby are promoting. TTB is not a planing mechanic. Are you referring to the ‘swivel’ or release of the barrel tight to the forearm? Which has a whole other set of problems. But is much better than ‘turn it behind you’.

The only TTB I advocate for is one of direction not release . As you know. Which is a ‘no teach’ if the hands are right.

I’m not trying to mislead anyone. I want the hands on plane and barrel out of plane at swing launch.

Like this:

Nobody is promoting a purely rotational motion of the hand without any translation in space. At least nobody who has ever seen a person swing at a moving ball (not demonstrations of somebody teaching a person how to torque the handle in dry swings or swings off of a tee). The hands move forward in space (translated) in a manner which you describe ("planing") WHILE a moment is being applied to the handle in order to provide rotational motion of the barrel. The "how" of said moment is open for discussion e.g. whether it is due to a reaction to a core pulling plus force into the handle via hands/forearms ("torquing the handle") or just a reaction to a pulling core as some subscribe to. Turn it forward or turn it to the ball.

Kids typically need help with 2 or 3 things depending on your view of the above moment applied to the handle. The correct planing of the hands (e.g. don't drop the hands to the level of the ball), the proper use of the core to aid in an efficient barrel turn (e.g. producing the correct of amount of body tension/stretch/resistance via proper sequencing and balance) and how to torque the handle (if you think that is part of an efficient barrel turn. ) Or said in another way, most kids need help with everything :LOL:
 
Oct 13, 2014
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What is TTB and the differences between it and your philosophy?
Ie i get Turn The Barrel But How is what your saying different. ?


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There are 3-4 definitions of TTB. The one I advocate for your DD already does. You actually were teaching her to ‘drive her top hand’ which loads the barrel(Radial deviation).notice the whip at the release of her barrel? Really good! Could it be a bit better? Yes. It is something that happens when the swing sequence is in order naturally when you use your hands correctly.

When her load(scap retract) posture is fixed, the bat path will improve. The pullback with the hands and the early reach with the foot is causing the ‘leveling’ issue. She’s a bit outta sequence/balance.

Your dd is a pitcher right? What happens when a pitcher gets stuck on the backside? Same but different.
 
May 30, 2013
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Kids typically need help
just kids? <g>

Whipping (or "turning") the barrel head to the ball just isn't an intuitive movement for most.
Take anyone who hasn't swung a bat much and ask them to "swing" it.
Almost invariably, they immediately drop the barrel flat behind them and push the hands forward,
and pull or "drag" the barrel into contact.
 
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