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Catcher obstruction ruling

Sep 14, 2011
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Glendale, AZ
That's garbage.

You are saying that a girl has to run full speed at a catcher hoping they get out of the way at the last moment. All of our girls won't truck a catcher and do slow because they don't want to make contact. This is the same logic that causes the no interference without contact that only encourages injuries.

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It's not garbage, it's the rule.

When the runner slows down due to the position of the defensive player without the ball, that is the textbook definition of obstruction.
 

MTR

Jun 22, 2008
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That's garbage.

You are saying that a girl has to run full speed at a catcher hoping they get out of the way at the last moment. All of our girls won't truck a catcher and do slow because they don't want to make contact. This is the same logic that causes the no interference without contact that only encourages injuries.

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Wow, just where did you read that? Certainly nowhere in this thread.
 
Feb 18, 2014
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I said absolutely nothing even remotely close to that.

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No that is exactly what you are saying. You are forcing a player to sprint full force into a catcher they know won't move. You are forcing them to throttle back or they risk trucking a catcher or taking her out with a slide. Our girls won't do it. Every time a play like this happens they get asked why they didn't sprint through the base, the answer is that they were blocked and they didn't want to collide so they slow down. The catcher has no business blocking the plate until they have the ball. The coaches don't want that collision, the runners don't, but the umps sure want it.

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Feb 18, 2014
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Wow, just where did you read that? Certainly nowhere in this thread.
"Yes what the catcher is doing is allowed anywhere on the bases. Until the runner is impeded in some way it is nothing. "

Can't double quote on my phone, it's said right there.

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Jun 22, 2008
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No that is exactly what you are saying. You are forcing a player to sprint full force into a catcher they know won't move. You are forcing them to throttle back or they risk trucking a catcher or taking her out with a slide. Our girls won't do it. Every time a play like this happens they get asked why they didn't sprint through the base, the answer is that they were blocked and they didn't want to collide so they slow down. The catcher has no business blocking the plate until they have the ball. The coaches don't want that collision, the runners don't, but the umps sure want it.

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No, I said nothing of the sort. I said the catcher can be anywhere they like until it impedes the runner in some way. No, I am not saying the runner has to truck the catcher and as was pointed out if the runner has to slow because of the catchers position without the ball, that is the definition of obstruction.

What is stupid is the new NCAA rule which makes it automatically obstruction just for being there when it has done nothing to impede or hinder a runner.
 
Jun 22, 2008
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"Yes what the catcher is doing is allowed anywhere on the bases. Until the runner is impeded in some way it is nothing. "

Can't double quote on my phone, it's said right there.

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No, I did not say it right there.
 

MTR

Jun 22, 2008
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"Yes what the catcher is doing is allowed anywhere on the bases. Until the runner is impeded in some way it is nothing. "

Can't double quote on my phone, it's said right there.

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Try reading what is there. You have been given the parameters of an OBS call. Accept it because it is true and factual.
 
Nov 26, 2010
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No that is exactly what you are saying. You are forcing a player to sprint full force into a catcher they know won't move. You are forcing them to throttle back or they risk trucking a catcher or taking her out with a slide. Our girls won't do it. Every time a play like this happens they get asked why they didn't sprint through the base, the answer is that they were blocked and they didn't want to collide so they slow down. The catcher has no business blocking the plate until they have the ball. The coaches don't want that collision, the runners don't, but the umps sure want it.

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At what point are they blocking the plate then? If you say the catcher has no business blocking the plate without the ball, that begins when? When the runner is rounding second, rounding third, halfway home, 3/4...? The rule can't state never because it would wind up being used in a stupid fashion because of how its written. The current rule in essence says the obstruction begins when a runner is actually obstructed, not at some predetermined spot on the field.

A girl can show she is being obstructed by a method other then running the catcher over, like having to go around her...

Does this rule get called right every time? Nope but it wasn't called properly every time before either.
 

4 girl's dad

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Apr 5, 2013
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In the stands...
Is there a recommendation to give my runner on how to react in the situation? Other than truck her! LOL. I know she could have left sooner but this is our youngest player and she has a lot of heart and wants to know what to do.
 
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