"Big dog pitcher" a dying breed?

[Vertigo]

Hard to do on a showcase team. Sometimes you don’t know which game the college coaches are coming to for a certain pitcher so you don’t want to burn her all in one game. When a college coach shows up for a specific player, that girl goes in. Doesn’t matter if we‘re winning or losing or if the current pitcher is throwing a no-hitter.

 

[jsoftballcoach]

We were down in LA in January for a tournament, top teams got PGF invite. DD throws first game on Sunday, and throws a no hitter. 6 or 7 innings around 100 pitches. She would have much rather come out after 3 and had more to give later in the day. The no hitter was cool but meant nothing. This is 16u.

In certain situations I think it makes sense to let the pitcher go, but there's something to be said for switching it up after the second or third time through the order.

Showcases just rotate through every 2-3 innings, and yes when college shows up you are in.



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[radness]

Showcases just rotate through every 2-3 innings, and yes when college shows up you are in.
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Showcasing is rotating for a reason to showcase.

Then there are games
Playing to win is playing to win.

If a pitcher was throwing a no hitter while colleges were watching might not pull her either!
Good for her!

 

[Vertigo]

Showcasing is rotating for a reason to showcase.

Then there are games
Playing to win is playing to win.

If a pitcher was throwing a no hitter while colleges were watching might not pull her either!
Good for her!

If it’s a showcase and a another pitcher’s school on her list shows up and won’t be back for the next game, then that pitcher is going in. If the starter has a coach there too then innings would be split. This is where a good recruiting coordinator comes in to play. They should be talking to the coaches to find out who exactly has reached out to them and if they will be around that day for more games.

 

[radness]

If it’s a showcase and a another pitcher’s school on her list shows up and won’t be back for the next game, then that pitcher is going in. If the starter has a coach there too then innings would be split. This is where a good recruiting coordinator comes in to play. They should be talking to the coaches to find out who exactly has reached out to them and if they will be around that day for more games.

Absolutley agree. Also acknowledging
if a college is there watching a pitcher they may want throwing a no hitter...thats a great game to finish!
Thats a performance colleges want to see.

I do understand showcasing other pitchers, but its not always the situation the other would need to showcase in that particular game.
Or perhaps already verballed.

 

[Westwind]

Why change out the pitcher if they are throwing a successful game.
Disagree with shuffling just to shuffle.

At younger ages there are other aspects happening on the field
that can take more pitches to settle in and find a rythem.
Where the 2-3 inning shuffle pulls them from dialing in what they need to do.
Some may say preparation comes befor the game to be ready stepping on the mound....
In early years threw 14u for many,
Nothing can prepair a pitcher like throwing to a live batter with an umpire in a game.
Let them have the game!

(Agree... at older ages that tends to get learned already and come in ready to go.)

Hitting- Teams generally tend to do better with either speed or slower junk.
If its apperent early in the game hitters are on, can understand switching the pitcher.
Otherwise give pitchers the entire game.

Average game times in travel ball are very short. Especially friendlies!
Let the pitcher work through situations.
Let the pitcher work the game!

imo
Big Dog pitchers are developed by being given the opportunity to push through situations.
They get there by making it through the hitting line up more than once.

GO DEFENSE !!!

Heck yes!!!!

Develop the big dogs!!!

 

[riseball]

Understandable switching up pitchers if the pitcher is truely struggling.
Like the speed change/timing razzle dazzle!

Unfortunately at times see coaches switching pitchers not because of struggle and see the tide turn to opposing hitters.
(yeah...mixing in playing time it happens)

Games are short in most of travel ball.
Pitchers should be able to handle entire game.

Common in college to pitch entire game.
For #1 & #2

This is not how it works anymore in college softball and the data shows that pitching effectiveness falls off significantly after the 2nd time through the order. Yet another compelling reason why catchers should not be calling pitches. Calling pitches and who is in the circle is about a strategy for the entire 3 games, not just the current batter. Even the weather forecast plays into pitching decisions. The future is the use of a complementary and versatile staff not the "Big Dog". Good news is that if you are a pitcher that an do more than pitch, your stock is higher than ever.

 

[radness]

This is not how it works anymore
WHAT ????








in college softball and the data shows that pitching effectiveness falls off significantly after the 2nd time through the order.







Yet another compelling reason why catchers should not be calling pitches. Calling pitches and who is in the circle is about a strategy for the entire 3 games, not just the current batter. Even the weather forecast plays into pitching decisions. The future is the use of a complementary and versatile staff not the "Big Dog". Good news is that if you are a pitcher that an do more than pitch, your stock is higher than ever.

This is about the BIG DOGS....
not every pitcher or team situation.
*Clearly we still currently see BIG DOG pitchers in fastpitch !

Speaking of colleges~ There are several levels that each have different reasons how and why they recruit. Different coaching strategies. With different talent.
No not all Colleges,( or tb coaches for that matter), have the same strategy running games.
Then of course in travel ball....
We know people still talk about pitchers and how they are utilized.
In some cases they are being over-utilized as Big Dogs.

There are pitchers of all talent levels in all ages levels.
There are pitchers who are better than most.
There are pitchers who never get an entire game.
There are pitchers who throw the entire game.
There are coaches at all levels with different strategies!
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[riseball]

This is about the BIG DOGS....
not every pitcher or team situation.

Clearly we still currently see BIG DOG pitchers in fastpitch !
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To conversations in general

Please do not group everyone in the same catagories.
Please do not speak in absolutes

Point is that Big Dogs are going way of the white ball, aluminum bats, shorts, and knee length tube socks. More and more a relic of the past.

 

[radness]

Point is that Big Dogs are going way of the white ball, aluminum bats, shorts, and knee length tube socks. More and more a relic of the past.

Are there still BIG DOG PITCHERS?

YES

How many coaches would not use a BIG DOG?

College has more options than travel ball teams with ability to recruit what they want.

Travel ball...come on now Riseball...you know what happens!
Are you thinking travel ball coaches wont utilize their ACE?