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Bat Path

Jan 6, 2009
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Love this clip. Rear leg not weighted so when the lead obliques contract the rear thigh turns over. No power there - just some reciprocal action.
Actually her rear foot/toe could be dragging creating leverage to turn the pelvis or help with core rotation. There‘s more then one way to skin a cat, speaking of cats, the windmill can create the same actions that allow a cat to right itself if dropped upside down.
 
Jul 29, 2013
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It's time one of you guys who keeps saying "it's not the hips or legs" shows us a seated swing. Strap your ass in a seat and bolt it to the ground and start taking some cuts.
Any takers? Come on. Step up!
 

TDS

Mar 11, 2010
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It's time one of you guys who keeps saying "it's not the hips or legs" shows us a seated swing. Strap your ass in a seat and bolt it to the ground and start taking some cuts.
Any takers? Come on. Step up!
Bobby, I don't think anyone has said the legs/hips aren't used.. The legs are supporters not drivers.. IOW's don't attempt to fire the rear leg or thrust the hips, if using the core pattern.. It's why Carp, Bonds and others talk about the hitting position.. Once leveraged they can utilize every available resource to direct the barrel.





 
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Actually her rear foot/toe could be dragging creating leverage to turn the pelvis or help with core rotation. There‘s more then one way to skin a cat, speaking of cats, the windmill can create the same actions that allow a cat to right itself if dropped upside down.
How so? What direction is the force and how's that rotate the pelvis as the foot drags? Wouldn't drag inhibit rotation?
 
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Bobby, I don't think anyone has said the legs/hips aren't used.. The legs are supporters not drivers.. IOW's don't attempt to fire the rear leg or thrust the hips, if using the core pattern.. It's why Carp, Bonds and others talk about the hitting position.. Once leveraged they can utilize every available resource to direct the barrel.





You haven't been reading then.
The legs for support and the core for power? That's backwards.
Sit in a chair, immobilize your legs, swing a bat.
Unit then your idea is just an unproven theory.
Strap your butt in a chair, bolted to the ground....should be enough support for you to show your core power.
Take the legs out of it.
Jump in the air and swing a bat.....jump straight up.... and show us all.....
Come on.......
Leave no room for interpretation or argument. .....
Waiting........
 

TDS

Mar 11, 2010
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You haven't been reading then.
The legs for support and the core for power? That's backwards.
Sit in a chair, immobilize your legs, swing a bat.
Unit then your idea is just an unproven theory.
Strap your butt in a chair, bolted to the ground....should be enough support for you to show your core power.
Take the legs out of it.
Jump in the air and swing a bat.....jump straight up.... and show us all.....
Come on.......
Leave no room for interpretation or argument. .....
Waiting........
No it's reality Bobby.. You have played the game correct ? Tell us what they mean by getting into a hitting position and it purpose.
 
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Bobby, I don't think anyone has said the legs/hips aren't used.. The legs are supporters not drivers.. IOW's don't attempt to fire the rear leg or thrust the hips, if using the core pattern.. It's why Carp, Bonds and others talk about the hitting position.. Once leveraged they can utilize every available resource to direct the barrel.





This is not directed at you Mr. TDS just my thoughts:

I think the real issue is people attributing actual movements to the "feel" of the "core pattern". The obliques dont rotate the pelvis. It just doesn't work that way. You can feel like your core is rotating your hips. But they're not. They're just contracting and your hip rotators are rotating them. Just like when you do a leg raise. Your abs contract, and are getting a great workout, but your hip flexors bring the legs up. The abs/obliques end up flexing the torso at the very end of the leg raise, if they are strong. (Posterior tilt).

I totally understand the success in teaching the core pattern. I've used that tiger video for a while in my golf game. I think it can be applied to softball which is why I posted it originally. The hips are so fast and strong that they will almost never be slow in an athlete. Its a great feel to get the sequence right.

Its much better to focus on bat path and getting the bat going early. But what if you don't have an athlete? Or if you want to gain some bat speed like Phil mickleson? Its nice to know how things really work.

And that's what we are talking about; what actually happens. The hips are responsible for quite a lot of what happens in a swing.

In my opinion a good simple saying of how the swing works is "hips swing the torso, torso swings the arms".

Here's my main man swinging his torso with his hips to throw some weight up. Ww, Ill look for some shirtless gifs for next time, I know you like those.

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