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Oct 13, 2014
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Bad arm bar is from losing the hips early. Good arm bar is from adjusting to a pitch further away from the perceived arc in space and or time. Can be approach related as well. You can bring the arm back into flexion as well.

When you bar the front arm it creates more tension in the wrist. Imo it’s related to an out to in approach.
 
Oct 13, 2014
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It’s an isometric contraction of the shoulders and lats, scaps and other adjoining muscles that creates the arm against the chest while rotating to release the barrel. Less on the out more on the in. Imo anyway.
 

fanboi22

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Nov 9, 2015
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Bad arm bar is from losing the hips early.

I think i agree to most of what you say, just curious about bolded above. Is there no other way to have bad arm bar? Dead hands for example? Turn the torso, the elbow flattens without staying connected. I just struggle saying the hips cause it when they are not directly connected, you have a whole torso in the middle of both. If the hips go early and you are still connected, not sure you bar.
 
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It’s an isometric contraction of the shoulders and lats, scaps and other adjoining muscles that creates the arm against the chest while rotating to release the barrel. Less on the out more on the in. Imo anyway.

If you lose compression with the front armpit, I don’t think you can get the correct contractions that you mentioned?

Also, if you arm-bar the you must lose the hips to get the bat over the plate, correct? Chicken or egg
 
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I think i agree to most of what you say, just curious about bolded above. Is there no other way to have bad arm bar? Dead hands for example? Turn the torso, the elbow flattens without staying connected. I just struggle saying the hips cause it when they are not directly connected, you have a whole torso in the middle of both. If the hips go early and you are still connected, not sure you bar.

Yes. I was speaking generally. But other things as well can contribute. Loading the hands early. Outta sequence, Trapping etc etc.
 
Oct 13, 2014
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If you lose compression with the front armpit, I don’t think you can get the correct contractions that you mentioned?

Also, if you arm-bar the you must lose the hips to get the bat over the plate, correct? Chicken or egg

I think walking away from the hands or pullback or whatever you want to call it creates the compression/contractions. Not saying you can’t start that way.

I meant lose the hips initially at stride. As long as you have your hips, arm bar can be overcome or used imo. Not my style though. I want every adjustment available if needed.
 
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Walking away from hands- when I say loosing compression, I'm talking about hands moving away from the body. If you scap load and hands come in a little from the loading, not pulling them in you keep compression. Thoughts?
 

TDS

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Are the hands being pulled "down to" by the core?

Or dragged by a firing rear side (rear leg/hip) ?


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Oct 13, 2014
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Ever notice Stans head moves forward after foot plant?

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and having the hands back at the rear foot isn’t an absolute. Sorry Shawn. That’s style.

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