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Thanks at some point if you can let me know for my own knowledge I'd appreciate it. I thought it was something like that and I would think that they would want to get the call right. Would you as a pu go to your partner in this situation and talk to them or wait until he asked for your input like you are supposed to...if no one said anything I probably wouldn't but I would think if the offensive team was asking I would try to get the call correct but it's still the field umpires primary call...idk I just thought it was weird how they handled it.

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USA Softball Rule 10 - SECTION 3 – UMPIRE’S JUDGEMENT

A. There will be no protest on any decision involving accuracy of judgment. No decision rendered by any umpire she'll be reversed except when the Umpire is convinced it is in violation of one of these rules. In case the manager, acting manager or captain of either team does seek a reversal of a decision based solely on a point of rules, the Umpire whose decision is in question, will, if in doubt, confer with the other umpires before taking any action. Under no circumstances shall any player or person, other than the manager, acting manager or captain of the team, have the right to protest any decision and seek its reversal on a claim that it is in conflict with these rules.
B. Under no circumstances will any umpire seek to reverse a decision made by an associate, nor shall any umpire criticize or interfere with the duties of their Associates, unless asked to do so.
C. The plate umpire may rectify any situation in which the reversal of an umpire’s decision or a delayed call by an umpire places a batter-runner, a runner or the defensive team in jeopardy. This correction is not possible after one pitch legal or illegal, or after the pitcher and all infielders have clearly vacated their normal fielding positions and have left fair territory on their way to the bench or dugout area, or after the last play of the game, the umpires have left the field of play.

When I used to coach this happened to me a couple of times and I've seen it happen to others. Player leaves field because called out by umpire decision that is later reversed and umpire says can't be corrected because she left the field. It absolutely can be corrected. You reverse the call, you can return the runner. Some umpires get mad if the girl stays on the base after being called out, when there is the possibility of a reversal. But this is why the coach says stay on the base.
 
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MTR

Jun 22, 2008
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USA Softball Rule 10 - SECTION 3 – UMPIRE’S JUDGEMENT

A. There will be no protest on any decision involving accuracy of judgment. No decision rendered by any umpire she'll be reversed except when the Umpire is convinced it is in violation of one of these rules. In case the manager, acting manager or captain of either team does seek a reversal of a decision based solely on a point of rules, the Umpire whose decision is in question, will, if in doubt, confer with the other umpires before taking any action. Under no circumstances shall any player or person, other than the manager, acting manager or captain of the team, have the right to protest any decision and seek its reversal on a claim that it is in conflict with these rules.
B. Under no circumstances will any umpire seek to reverse a decision made by an associate, nor shall any umpire criticize or interfere with the duties of their Associates, unless asked to do so.
C. The plate umpire may rectify any situation in which the reversal of an umpire’s decision or a delayed call by an umpire places a batter-runner, a runner or the defensive team in jeopardy. This correction is not possible after one pitch legal or illegal, or after the pitcher and all infielders have clearly vacated their normal fielding positions and have left fair territory on their way to the bench or dugout area, or after the last play of the game, the umpires have left the field of play.

When I used to coach this happened to me a couple of times and I've seen it happen to others. Player leaves field because called out by umpire decision that is later reversed and umpire says can't be corrected because she left the field. It absolutely can be corrected. You reverse the call, you can return the runner. Some umpires get mad if the girl stays on the base after being called out, when there is the possibility of a reversal. But this is why the coach says stay on the base.

Yes, but there was no reversal of the call, though I agree something is wrong here.

As reading the OP, the first thing that came to my mind is why is the 3B coach trying to talk to the umpire over a call at 1B?

Otherwise, if the BU (not FU) did not ask for help, the PU had no right to open his mouth let alone do anything else
 

MTR

Jun 22, 2008
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USA Softball Rule 10 - SECTION 3 – UMPIRE’S JUDGEMENT

A. There will be no protest on any decision involving accuracy of judgment. No decision rendered by any umpire she'll be reversed except when the Umpire is convinced it is in violation of one of these rules. In case the manager, acting manager or captain of either team does seek a reversal of a decision based solely on a point of rules, the Umpire whose decision is in question, will, if in doubt, confer with the other umpires before taking any action. Under no circumstances shall any player or person, other than the manager, acting manager or captain of the team, have the right to protest any decision and seek its reversal on a claim that it is in conflict with these rules.
B. Under no circumstances will any umpire seek to reverse a decision made by an associate, nor shall any umpire criticize or interfere with the duties of their Associates, unless asked to do so.
C. The plate umpire may rectify any situation in which the reversal of an umpire’s decision or a delayed call by an umpire places a batter-runner, a runner or the defensive team in jeopardy. This correction is not possible after one pitch legal or illegal, or after the pitcher and all infielders have clearly vacated their normal fielding positions and have left fair territory on their way to the bench or dugout area, or after the last play of the game, the umpires have left the field of play.

When I used to coach this happened to me a couple of times and I've seen it happen to others. Player leaves field because called out by umpire decision that is later reversed and umpire says can't be corrected because she left the field. It absolutely can be corrected. You reverse the call, you can return the runner. Some umpires get mad if the girl stays on the base after being called out, when there is the possibility of a reversal. But this is why the coach says stay on the base.

Yes, but there was no reversal of the call, though I agree something is wrong here.

As reading the OP, the first thing that came to my mind is why is the 3B coach trying to talk to the umpire over a call at 1B?

Otherwise, if the BU (not FU) did not ask for help, the PU had no right to open his mouth let alone do anything else
 
Sep 21, 2010
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Mtr there was only 1 base coach he prefers to not have a 1st base coach. He saw the pulled foot and the bu made the out call at first so he was trying to get him to ask for help from the pu. I'm not sure why the pu called her out that's why I thought it was strange and I just was wondering if there was some rule that would allow the umpires to fix that call. I just haven't had that scenario come up before in my coaching or officiating career and didnt think there was a rule that said they couldn't correct the call because the batter runner left the field of play

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Oct 11, 2010
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We have had a play "fixed" after player left field of play.

It would be like the runner was called out then was tagged when she left the base. Well, we would have changed the initial call but then she was tagged out. Makes no sense.

A runner being called out twice sounds like something that would happen to my DD. :)
 

MTR

Jun 22, 2008
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Mtr there was only 1 base coach he prefers to not have a 1st base coach. He saw the pulled foot and the bu made the out call at first so he was trying to get him to ask for help from the pu. I'm not sure why the pu called her out

Thanks for the clarification

that's why I thought it was strange and I just was wondering if there was some rule that would allow the umpires to fix that call. I just haven't had that scenario come up before in my coaching or officiating career and didnt think there was a rule that said they couldn't correct the call because the batter runner left the field of play

Yes, it could have been corrected after the fact. I see no reason why the BU couldn't go to the PU for help unless he firmly believe he saw all aspects of the play. IOW, the BU is not required to ask for assistance. If the BU did go for help and accepted info that F3 did pull the foot and was safe, the BU should put the BR on 1B. Entering DBT is irrelevant to this point.

AFA the runner on 3rd, if she was attempting to score at the time of the play at 1st, allow that run to score. If for some reason she was still in the vicinity of 3rd base, I would place her there and continue the inning
 
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