Does the run count?

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Feb 16, 2015
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Runners on on 2nd & 3rd. Fly ball hit to right field and caught in the air. Fielder attempts to throw the ball into home plate to stop the run from scoring, the first baseman cuts the ball and throws to second which arrives before the runner returns to the bag resulting in the 3rd out. The runner on 3rd base crossed the plate before the out was made at second base and therefore the home plate umpire allowed the run to count. I believe that since it was a force out at second the run should not count? The run was not a determining factor in the game or anything to that nature. I am just trying to figure out what the correct call actually is?


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Jun 22, 2008
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An appeal play is not a force out, it is a timing play. A force out only happens when a runner is forced from a base by a batter becoming a batter/runner. An appeal on a runner can become a force out under certain circumstances such as a runner on first missing 2nd base on their way to third. An appeal of the missed base would make it a force out, but an appeal on a runner who left a base before a caught fly ball is not a force out.

Yes, the run would score in the situation you have posted.
 
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May 16, 2016
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An appeal play is not a force out, it is a timing play. A force out only happens when a runner is forced from a base by a batter becoming a batter/runner. An appeal on a runner can become a force out under certain circumstances such as a runner on first missing 2nd base on their way to third. An appeal of the missed base would make it a force out, but an appeal on a runner who left a base before a caught fly ball is not a force out.

Yes, the run would score in the situation you have posted.

Interesting. I would have got that call wrong. Good thing I am not an umpire.
 
Nov 29, 2009
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To make it simple. It is a timing play. If the run scored prior to the appeal for leaving early at 2nd base the run counts. Many coaches do not understand the rule and think it is a force play.
 
Oct 24, 2010
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When the batter-runner has been put out, there can be no force plays. Yes, there are coaches who don't understand this.
 
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