protest with UIC protocol

Welcome to Discuss Fastpitch

Your FREE Account is waiting to the Best Softball Community on the Web.

May 30, 2013
1,442
83
Binghamton, NY
quick question: if a controversial call is made, and a coach wishes to protest and get the UIC to make a ruling,
should both team's coaches allowed to hear the discussion between the game umps and the UIC?
If not, then how can one ensure that the game umps don't misrepresent the play, after they have had some time to think?

Had a situation this past weekend, where a Runner at 1B violated the look back rule, and was called out by the Field umpire,
and then after verbal appeal by the Offensive coach, the HP umpire over-ruled the cal and placed the Runner safe at 2B.

After protest was filed by the Defensive Coach, and UIC was summoned to the field to conference,
the Runner was called safe.

Afterward, play continued, without any further drama.

When the game completed, I politely approached the UIC, and asked about the ruling, and what his interpretation was,
since we weren't allowed to interact with the conference on the field at the time.
His response made it known to me that the HP umpire's description of the play morphed a bit, between his explanation to us initially,
and how he justified it to the UIC.

The play transpired as follows:
Runner at 1B.
Batter attempted bunt, and popped-up in foul territory, and ball was caught by the catcher.
Catcher returned ball to Pitcher in the circle.
At this point, I personally cannot say for sure if 1B Runner returned to touch 1B, or if she stopped short of 1B and waited.
After ball entered circle, 3B and 1B, who crashed on the bunt, entered circle to give P a high-five.
Then Runner took off for 2B, which was un-covered. (F4 was positioned well off of the 2B base).
Field ump immediately signaled the Runner is out. Look back rule violation.
Offensive Coach appealed to the HP Ump.
Umpires briefly conferenced, and Runner was called safe.
Defensive coach then asked for explanation, and HP ump reply was: "in my opinion, the Runner did not hesitate long enough between bases to violate the look-back rule."
Then, Protest was filed and UIC was summoned.
 
Jun 22, 2008
3,756
113
Once again, NO UMPIRE MAY EVER OVERTURN ANOTHER UMPIRES CALL, PERIOD!

That is typically the base umpires call although either umpire can call it, if the coach had a question about it they can approach the calling umpire and ask them to check with their partner on something. But, a call based on judgement is not protestable and if the base umpire judged the runner to have violated the lookback rule that is their judgement. Unless that judgement was based on a misinterpretation of the rules it is not a protestable situation. IF, and only if the base umpire chooses to go to the plate umpire, the plate umpire may give their input on the play but the ultimate call still belongs to the base umpire to either keep or change.

As for the protest itself and the UIC, Im sure there are situations where there may be information from the coaches that may be relevant but in this case it comes down purely to umpire judgement about what constitutes a lookback violation and if that judgement corresponds with the rule. Not sure I see where any coach input would be useful other than one coach claiming it was a violation and the other saying it wasnt.
 
Oct 11, 2010
8,337
113
Chicago, IL
If I get involved, I try to get other Team's coach involved.

Actually been a long time since I protested something, like comp said it has to be a rule thing not a judgment call.

If I see other coach involved, I get involved.

Not sure there is an actual protocol, probly wrong.

(A correct protest should not be a story, should be pretty black and white)
 
Last edited:

MTR

Jun 22, 2008
3,438
48
If I get involved, I try to get other Team's coach involved.

Actually been a long time since I protested something, like comp said it has to be a rule thing not a judgment call.

If I see other coach involved, I get involved.

Not sure there is an actual protocol, probly wrong.

(A correct protest should not be a story, should be pretty black and white)


When the umpires conference, there should be no one else in the vicinity. If the UIC is required, his/her conversation with the umpires should be private. Only after a conclusion should the ruling be explained by the PU or the UIC to ONE coach from each team, simultaneously.
 
Oct 11, 2010
8,337
113
Chicago, IL
When the umpires conference, there should be no one else in the vicinity. If the UIC is required, his/her conversation with the umpires should be private. Only after a conclusion should the ruling be explained by the PU or the UIC to ONE coach from each team, simultaneously.

I am good with that.
 
Mar 26, 2013
1,934
0
If the UIC is required, his/her conversation with the umpires should be private. Only after a conclusion should the ruling be explained by the PU or the UIC to ONE coach from each team, simultaneously.
Is that after the coach explains what they protested or does the UIC hear both sides of the protest from just the umpire(s)?
 
Last edited:

MTR

Jun 22, 2008
3,438
48
Is that after the coach explains what they protested or does the UIC hear both sides of the protest from just the umpire(s)?

I will ask the coach what is being protested to determine whether to proceed. If the situation is not one available to protest, I inform the coach and immediately leave the field. Otherwise, I proceed as previously stated
 

Forum statistics

Threads
42,860
Messages
680,241
Members
21,513
Latest member
cputman12
Top