Not on Lineup Card
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I didn't do a very good job of explaining trying to not be long winded. 9 position players on the card, no flex, no dp. They batted 10, without #13 (their 5 hole hitter) listed on their lineup card. They made no substitutions. My faith is slowly being restored...
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You can't add players (to the lineup) after the official lineup has been accepted by the umpire. You can't go from 9 to 10 after you have officially entered the lineup (given it to the umpire).
With the DP/Flex you can go forwards and backwards but that isn't what we are talking about here.
With the DP/Flex you can go forwards and backwards but that isn't what we are talking about here.
An eligible team member may be added to the lineup at any time, even after it has been submitted to the umpire. There is a warning that goes along with it in NFHS, but other than that it is nothing. No, the dp/flex may not be used after the lineup card has already been submitted, it must be made known at the start of the game.
I'm confused based on this post and the OP...
You stated in the OP that this was the Championship game, but no mention of any tournament rules allowing extra batters. You did say free substitution in pool play, but that does not necessarily mean "bat everybody"
Under the NFHS rules, the most batters you can have in the lineup is 9. The DP/FLEX option allows a 10th player on the lineup list, but you still only have 9 players actually batting.
Two questions:
1. How many batters were listed on this team's lineup?
2. Was #13's correct name name listed in the lineup, but with an incorrect number?
If the team had a total of 10 players, but only listed 9 in the batting order, all you have here is an unreported substitution when the number five batting position came up.
You said that #13 was batting in the fifth spot in the order, but she was not on the card. Since SOMEBODY had to be listed on the lineup as the #5 hitter, then when #13 hit in that spot she was an unreported substitute.
When discovered, this is what should have happened:
#13 is added to the lineup card as an available substitute
#13 is now in the game as the batter in the 5 hole
Whoever was batting in the 5 hole has left the game and has a re-entry available
Team warning for adding #13 to the lineup
Team warning for the unreported substitution of #13 into the game
Play ball
If the team listed 10 batters and a tournament rule allowed this, it brings up some more questions which can be asked if needed.
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Sorted above. It wasn't clear to me how we were going from 9 to 10 batters in NFHS. You can't submit a lineup with 10 "hitters" in NFHS which made it confusing for me.
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Tournament rules when bracket play starts is straight 9 with subs, or 10 with a DP/Flex. Normal NFHS rules. #13's name and number were not on the card. He forgot to put her on the card, and admitted so. She had 1 AB in the 5 hole which alerted us to the problem, but the AB was an out, so it didn't affect anything. When we figured out what had happened, (after her 2nd AB which was a double that drove in a run), we reported to the umpire before the next pitch had been thrown.
Answer to your questions:
1. 9 position players on their lineup
2. #13's name nor number were on the card anywhere.
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Are you sure you don't mean they can be added to the "line up card"?
If I'm reading this correctly, the lineup card listed nine players and no subs, correct?
If this is the case, you have an unreported substitution the first time #13 bats as I explained above.
Next question - After #13 batted in the five hole, who batted next? If it was the batter listed in the six hole, no problems.
If it was the batter listed in the 5 hole, now you have an illegal substitution, since that batter was removed from the game when #13 batted and is now re-entering the game in a different place in the batting order. That would have to be appealed, but the result would be that the illegal sub player is restricted to the bench for the remainder of the game and may be declared out, depending on what happened during the at-bat.
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