Batting out of order- WTF?

MT 73 · May 12, 2017

During a Mets game some years back Willie Randolph appealed a BOO after the improper batter grounded out.
His assumption was that he would get two outs.
It took the MLB umpires 20 minutes to sort out what any Little League umpire worth his salt would have called in 5 seconds flat because they see this quite often.
The recorded out was nullified and the batter who should have been up was called out.
Funny, but the result was that the batter who grounded out--who was a very good hitter--was now up.
But softball is different in that all recorded outs would stand as well as the batter who should have been up is also out.

Comp · May 12, 2017

Any out made on the improper batter does not stand as their at bat is negated. All other outs made do stand.

BretMan · May 12, 2017

MT 73 said:
But softball is different in that all recorded outs would stand as well as the batter who should have been up is also out.

No, the improper batter's time at bat is negated. So if they made an out, it would be cancelled.

You might be thinking of the old ASA rule from back a few years ago, where the improper batter's out used to count. But they revised that to be inline with other rule sets several years ago.

Mocoso · May 12, 2017

BretMan said:
No, the improper batter's time at bat is negated. So if they made an out, it would be cancelled.

You might be thinking of the old ASA rule from back a few years ago, where the improper batter's out used to count. But they revised that to be inline with other rule sets several years ago.

Now Im going to have to bring out the ASA rule book as what youre stating with outs being negated doesnt match with the chart that was posted a few posts back...

DanDare · May 12, 2017

Big Daddy Michigan said:
(The outfielders switched defensive positions so they assumed they switched batting positions too.)

DD's middle school coach clearly thinks this is the way it works as well. He switched positions in a game last week and suddenly players were batting out of order all over the place. To make it somewhat worse, the opposing coach either didn't know or didn't care as he never protested. I just felt for the scorekeeper.

Comp · May 12, 2017

Mocoso said:
Now Im going to have to bring out the ASA rule book as what youre stating with outs being negated doesnt match with the chart that was posted a few posts back...

The chart isnt completely accurate per the rule.

MT 73 · May 12, 2017

Improper batter hits into a double play.
Defense properly appeals the BOO.
How many outs do we now have?

Comocoach · May 12, 2017

MT 73 said:
Improper batter hits into a double play.
Defense properly appeals the BOO.
How many outs do we now have?

Need more info.

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BretMan · May 12, 2017

MT 73 said:
Improper batter hits into a double play.
Defense properly appeals the BOO.
How many outs do we now have?

Was the improper batter one of the players put out? Because there are lots of ways you can get a double play.

Assume runners on first and second to start. What if it's a 6-5-4 double play? Then the two outs against runners already on base stand, plus one more against the batter who should have batted. That would be three outs.

If you started with a runner on first base, then had a 6-4-3 double play, that would be one out at second base, then one more for the batter who should have batted. The improper batter's at-bat is negated (that is, it's like it never happened. Her out doesn't count and, if she's on base, she's removed from the bases).

MT 73 · May 12, 2017

BretMan said:
Was the improper batter one of the players put out? Because there are lots of ways you can get a double play.

Assume runners on first and second to start. What if it's a 6-5-4 double play? Then the two outs against runners already on base stand, plus one more against the batter who should have batted. That would be three outs.

If you started with a runner on first base, then had a 6-4-3 double play, that would be one out at second base, then one more for the batter who should have batted. The improper batter's at-bat is negated (that is, it's like it never happened. Her out doesn't count and, if she's on base, she's removed from the bases).

My point is this:
Bases loaded. No outs.
Improper batter hits a grounder and R3 and R2 are out on a 5-2-5 DP.
Defense appeals and the proper batter is called out but the other two outs stand.
Three outs.
However in baseball the entire action of the improper batter is negated meaning the proper batter is called out and the other outs are nullified.
So all runners are returned to the bases loaded situation.

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