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Mar 8, 2016
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High school softball game. Here is the situation runners on second and third 1 out. Routine pop up in the infield about 3-4 steps in for the first baseman to catch ball. First baseman takes 1 step toward ball stops and yells for pitcher to catch it. The ball drops. The batter never left the batters box so the first baseman retrieves the ball and throws her out 3-4. The runner on third scores and the the runner on second advances to third. I gave the batter an RBI and counted the run as earned but it was hard to score it as an earned run. Did I score it correctly? I am not the father of the pitcher my dd plays left field
 
May 13, 2012
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I see it as rbi. If she had ran it out and reached first safely I would score single with rbi.
 
Jun 27, 2011
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I gave the batter an RBI and counted the run as earned but it was hard to score it as an earned run. Did I score it correctly? I am not the father of the pitcher my dd plays left field

To have an unearned run, you must have an error (or passed ball). There was no error. You scored it correctly. Batter drove in the run with her ''ground ball.''
 

TMD

Feb 18, 2016
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Maybe I'm misunderstanding this, But I'd say yes its an rbi, but no in regards to it being earned... It was an E3

Mental errors, like what happened here, are not Es in the scorebook. RBI and batter ground out 3-4.
 
May 17, 2012
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Mental errors, like what happened here, are not Es in the scorebook.

I know very little about the real score keeping rules but this scenario seems to come up quite a bit.

If fielders simply choose not to field a ball for one inning and give up 5 runs there are no errors and all of the runs are earned?
 
Dec 5, 2012
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In my book, Im calling that an E3...and then I'm inserting a new 1st baseman. What you're calling a mental error, by allowing a ball to simply drop at you feet is unacceptable at any level. If the players don't want the ball, they shouldn't be on the ball diamond.
 

TMD

Feb 18, 2016
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In my book, Im calling that an E3...and then I'm inserting a new 1st baseman. What you're calling a mental error, by allowing a ball to simply drop at you feet is unacceptable at any level. If the players don't want the ball, they shouldn't be on the ball diamond.

I get it and those things drive all of us coaches crazy (and may well result in a new first baseman), but that doesn't make them official Es in the scorebook. Kind of like the infield pop up that falls to the ground between the pitcher, 1B, and 2B who are all looking at each other assuming someone else will catch it. Single, no E, and a pretty pissed off coach.
 

TMD

Feb 18, 2016
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I know very little about the real score keeping rules but this scenario seems to come up quite a bit.

If fielders simply choose not to field a ball for one inning and give up 5 runs there are no errors and all of the runs are earned?

I guess so, technically - but I'll defer to others who are smarter. I mean, if a ground ball is hit between 1B and 2B and the second baseman just stands there and watches it go past, I don't think that would be a E in the book. I also don't think the second baseman would be in the game much longer.
 
Nov 29, 2009
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In my book, Im calling that an E3...and then I'm inserting a new 1st baseman. What you're calling a mental error, by allowing a ball to simply drop at you feet is unacceptable at any level. If the players don't want the ball, they shouldn't be on the ball diamond.

First baseman takes 1 step toward ball stops and yells for pitcher to catch it. The ball drops.

So how can you judge the player's intent in the op from a post in a web forum? It could poor judgement or the player thought the ball was hit differently than it was rather than the player just letting the ball drop. She may not be familiar with the position. Without knowing the player and seeing the play there is no way to infer anything.

As for the E. It's your scorebook and you're entitled to mark it as you wish.

And I do agree with the lack of effort, however making a mistake on play is a different animal.
 

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