Found what I think is the other Error.

Like the other thread i can't figure out where they come with the extra E's. Discussing with DD last night the only place was an outfield play they may have assigned an E and I'm not so sure on this one. R on first. GB thru 1st and 2nd gap RF playing deep. R1 doesn't slow down at 2nd going to 3rd. RF does bobble the ball a little. RF Comes up throwing to 3rd. R1 safe at 3rd. Now this was my scoring , no E on the bobble due to depth of fielder and speed of R1. Only a clean fielding and perfect throw would make the play close and no guarantee then. Batter to second on defense indifference. So I could be wrong on the the play at 3rd, I just judged as would have been safe unless the miracle throw happened. So did I miss this one. Reason I'm asking about these, is all yr we differ but been minor and judgment types, this game we differed by 4 E's. Two of them I know where and why they assigned E's incorrectly imo, since they don't understand normal effort. Skipping BB's and dives are E's if touched. the one I posted earlier was one of 2 I wanted to verify. The booted ball with batter/runner retired I was 99.9 sure of. This one not as much but it is a judgment call. I want verify I'm looking at it correctly for judgment.

At the end of the day, all E's are judgement...some are just easier to judge than others. When in doubt, you want to err on the side of the batter/runner - give them the hit or extra base.

Not sure about your comment "Skipping BB's and dives are E's if touched". Don't know what a BB is (guess I should read the other thread?), but why would a dive if touched be an E? I get the old mantra "if you can touch it you can catch it", but if the play required a dive, it is not normal/routine effort, IMO.

TMD said:

At the end of the day, all E's are judgement...some are just easier to judge than others. When in doubt, you want to err on the side of the batter/runner - give them the hit or extra base.

Not sure about your comment "Skipping BB's and dives are E's if touched". Don't know what a BB is (guess I should read the other thread?), but why would a dive if touched be an E? I get the old mantra "if you can touch it you can catch it", but if the play required a dive, it is not normal/routine effort, IMO.

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Just my way of saying the ball was smoked. It would be like trying to catch BB from a BB gun skipping across the infield . I think at times the coaches assign the E's as way to assign cause for the loss, Instead of not prepared or out coached or just plain old whooped. I agree scoring has a lot of judgement involved and sometimes I chk to see if I'm using the correct parameters for judgement. I don't know if they don't understand the normal effort or don't care. I know we often differ on those but I don't get wound up because effort is judgment.

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Just my way of saying the ball was smoked. It would be like trying to catch BB from a BB gun skipping across the infield . I think at times the coaches assign the E's as way to assign cause for the loss, Instead of not prepared or out coached or just plain old whooped. I agree scoring has a lot of judgement involved and sometimes I chk to see if I'm using the correct parameters for judgement. I don't know if they don't understand the normal effort or don't care. I know we often differ on those but I don't get wound up because effort is judgment.

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Ah, got it. Given that, a smoked ball that is touched but not fielded cleanly still wouldn't/shouldn't be an error.

Phathead said:

Batter to second on defense indifference.

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Batter to second was plain FC - made attempt on R1 at 3B. BTW, defensive indifference is a just a type of FC. From NCAA scoring rules:

14.2.7 Defensive Indifference: Scoring term to describe the lack of a defensive play on a runner running the bases after a batted ball, or a base runner attempting to steal a base after a pitch when the player’s advance is perceived to have no bearing on which team wins the game.
Note: This can only apply to the bottom half of the last inning.
A.R. 14.2.7.a: In the bottom of the seventh inning with no one out and the winning run on third base, the batter taps the ball to the pitcher who makes no throw to first base to prevent the winning run from scoring. RULING: Credit the batter with a fielder’s choice to gain first base and an additional fielder’s choice if she gains second base due to indifference.
A.R. 14.2.7.b: In the bottom of the seventh inning with no one out, base runners on first and third bases, the base runner from first base advances to second base with no play by the catcher to prevent the winning run from scoring. RULING: Credit the base runner with a fielder’s choice to gain second base due to indifference. (See Rules 14.7.2.5 and 14.15.)

14.2.11 Fielder’s Choice: Charge a batter-runner with a fielder’s choice when a defender fields a ground ball and attempts to put out a preceding base runner rather than the batter-runner at first base when a throw to first base would have put out the batter-runner. Advance a base runner by a fielder’s choice when she advances safely while another runner is played on.

Thanks so cal , another one I didn't know.