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Mar 14, 2017
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The coach in the long sleeve white shirt is yelling to her to touch the plate immediately, and chasing her back to the dug out, but in the chaos no one else notices. She physically grabs her and sends her back to the plate.
 
Sep 29, 2014
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[MENTION=426]Comp[/MENTION] so if as the runner is going back to touch home plate in this scenario the catcher is not close enough to apply a tag but just turns to the umpire and says "I appeal she did not touch home" is the ump calling her out? under the interpretation that she had ample opportunity to touch the plate a physical tag would not be required right?

or what if she dodges the tag and gets to the plate before being tagged...that can't possibly matter since this is not a live ball tag scenario it is actually an appeal.

Although the two pics below make it pretty obvious the catcher knew what was going on.


CatcherHRappeal.jpgCatcherHRappeal2.jpg
 
Jun 22, 2008
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This is an NCAA game and their rules have gotten so convoluted compared to other rule sets they barely resemble softball anymore. According to the NCAA approved ruling, the umpire should not have accepted the appeal until the ball had been made live and the runner had until they entered the dugout to return and touch the plate.

As for every other rule set, there is no requirement to put the ball back into play, the defense can make a dead ball appeal with or without the ball and the rule simply says the runner must be give the opportunity to correct their running error. That leaves it open to umpire judgement as to what constitutes the opportunity. There was a discussion a few years back on an umpire board regarding when to accept the appeal and the general consensus was when it appears the runner has no intention of returning to touch accept the appeal.
 
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This is an NCAA game and their rules have gotten so convoluted compared to other rule sets they barely resemble softball anymore. According to the NCAA approved ruling, the umpire should not have accepted the appeal until the ball had been made live and the runner had until they entered the dugout to return and touch the plate.

As for every other rule set, there is no requirement to put the ball back into play, the defense can make a dead ball appeal with or without the ball and the rule simply says the runner must be give the opportunity to correct their running error. That leaves it open to umpire judgement as to what constitutes the opportunity. There was a discussion a few years back on an umpire board regarding when to accept the appeal and the general consensus was when it appears the runner has no intention of returning to touch accept the appeal.

but this would be all moot if he ruled the coach physically touching her and pushing her towards home was an intentional assist. It is one of those scenarios where as the Alabama coach I would have asked exactly what the umpire was ruling and might consider protesting because the PU seemed to think the tag mattered. Now I hate to be cynical but this is where an umpires meeting might make sense and if the 1B umpire saw the coach physically turn her around simply rule it was an intentional assist which would not be able to be protested...just sayin
 
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We were playing in an ASA qualifying tournament in Atlanta and our catcher just hit a home run, over the fence, the first base coach patted her on the back in the monument of excitement as she rounded first and the first base ump called the runner out.
 
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We were playing in an ASA qualifying tournament in Atlanta and our catcher just hit a home run, over the fence, the first base coach patted her on the back in the monument of excitement as she rounded first and the first base ump called the runner out.
Just an example of an umpire who wants to make the game about him unfortunately there are a few too many out there, just use it as a teaching moment high fives only from now on.
 
Jun 22, 2008
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We were playing in an ASA qualifying tournament in Atlanta and our catcher just hit a home run, over the fence, the first base coach patted her on the back in the monument of excitement as she rounded first and the first base ump called the runner out.

Did you protest? If not you should have, the rule is physically assist. Touching the runner, patting them on the back etc is not against the rules.
 
Feb 17, 2014
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Unless the umpire is like our mothers and has eyes in the back of his head and can see all even with his back to the plate, he had no idea if she touch or not. :)
 
Oct 19, 2009
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Did you protest? If not you should have, the rule is physically assist. Touching the runner, patting them on the back etc is not against the rules.

Yes we did protest, umpire ruled that by placing the hand on the runners back they assisted the runner. Seemed we always experienced problems when plying ASA. The team we were playing we would run rule them when playing outside ASA and when we played them in ASA they would get all the breaks and would beat us.
 
Jun 22, 2008
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You say the umpire ruled, if you protested did they go get the UIC and get a ruling or did the umpire on the field simply say they considered the hand on the back assistance? There is a distinct difference between a pat on the back and a push.
 

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