DP/Flex questions

2 scenarios. HS rules

1. Third baseman is ill and needs to be taken out of the game. DP is hitting for P/Flex. Coach wanted to bring DP in to play SS and move SS to third but he didn't think he could do it? Can't you sub in from DP?

2. DP again hitting for P. DP is also a pitcher and coach want to bring the DP in to Pitch but he didn't think he could. Again can't you sub in this situation? Remove the Flex/P from the Game and sub the DP into her position?

Basically, with the flex, you have 10 players available for defense. On defense, your DP could have went to 3rd without any substitution. But, If the 3B had to come out and she wasn't in the flex spot, you would need another sub for her turn at bat. In 2nd scenario, your P was in the flex position, so if the DP replaced her in the circle (which she absolutely can), your flex has left the game. She can re-enter once. Hope this helps.

The DP can play defense for ANY player except the flex and no one has left the game, it is simply a defensive position change. All players remain in the batting line up and nothing has changed except for the DP playing defense for one of the first 9 players in the batting order. If the DP plays defense for the flex, then the flex has left the game and would need to be re-entered to play defense again.

Basically, with the flex, you have 10 players available for defense. On defense, your DP could have went to 3rd without any substitution. But, If the 3B had to come out and she wasn't in the flex spot, you would need another sub for her turn at bat. In 2nd scenario, your P was in the flex position, so if the DP replaced her in the circle (which she absolutely can), your flex has left the game. She can re-enter once. Hope this helps.

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If the DP plays defense for 3B and 3B was not the flex, 3B is still in the game and still bats for herself, she simply is not playing defense. In the second scenario, the DP could still pitch without the flex leaving the game, it just depends on what the coach does with the defensive positions. Yes, if the DP comes into pitch for the flex and the flex goes to the bench then they have left the game and must be re-entered. But, the coach could send the DP to pitch, move the flex over to 1st base or any other position, put another player on the bench and then the DP is simply playing defense for one of the other positions and no one has left the game and the coach still has all 10 players being utilized.

Thanks for the replies and I'm starting to get it. Just a couple of follow ups

In the scenario where the 3rd baseman had to leave the game, the team has to have a sub available to hit in her place correct? If not what happens.

In the scenario where the DP comes to pitch and Flex moves to say 1st base, 1b to bench but still bats can the 1b that is just a batter now reenter on defense in a different position without anybody leaving the game?

inde53546 said:

Thanks for the replies and I'm starting to get it. Just a couple of follow ups

In the scenario where the 3rd baseman had to leave the game, the team has to have a sub available to hit in her place correct? If not what happens.

In the scenario where the DP comes to pitch and Flex moves to say 1st base, 1b to bench but still bats can the 1b that is just a batter now reenter on defense in a different position without anybody leaving the game?

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I already answered these questions. When the DP came in to play defense for 3rd base, as long as 3rd was not the flex player no on has left the game. The player who was at 3rd is still in the batting lineup and still bats for herself, she simply is not playing defense.

In your second situation, already covered in the same situation as above, NO ONE has left the game and there is no one to re-enter or be subbed for. The DP can play defense for ANY position other than the flex and no one has left the game, everyone still bats for themselves and you still have 10 players in the lineup. IF the DP plays defense for the flex, then the flex has left the game and the order drops to 9. It counts as a substitution for the flex and the flex would have to use a re-entry to come back into the game. The flex can also bat in the position held by the DP, but, in that situation the DP has left the game, the order has dropped to 9 and if the coach wanted to bring the DP back they would have to use a re-entry, the flex would return to the 10th spot in the lineup and would then play defense only.

Ok. The 3rd baseman was ill and left and did not bat so if no sub the line up drops to 9. And as long as the flex stays playing def your 9 other players can switch def positions freely. Batting order remains the same.

inde53546 said:

Ok. The 3rd baseman was ill and left and did not bat so if no sub the line up drops to 9. And as long as the flex stays playing def your 9 other players can switch def positions freely. Batting order remains the same.

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Ok, in replying to other comments in other posts I forgot about 3rd being ill. If 3rd cant bat and you have no subs then you have to take an out for the missed batting position. The DP is already in the batting lineup and cannot bat in 2 positions. The flex is a defensive only position and the only position they can bat in is the DP spot. If you have no subs then you have lost a batter and it will be an out every time that spot comes up and is skipped.

The DP/Flex rule isn't as complicated as it seems, I've learned.

On DEFENSE, you have 10 players for 9 positions, and you can use any combination of those 9 players. The 10th is still in the game in her spot in the lineup. Nobody leaves the game/re-enters just by moving people to different positions. Exception: If DP goes into the game on defense for the Flex, then Flex is out of the game. They CAN both play defense at the same time.
On OFFENSE, the DP/Flex are connected. You list the Flex in the #10 spot, but she does not bat (EXCEPT for the DP, and that counts as removing the DP from the game). Nobody's spot in the batting order changes (again, unless you have the Flex hit or run for the DP, in which case she moves from the #10 spot to wherever the DP is). They CANNOT both play offense at the same time.

Comp said:

Ok, in replying to other comments in other posts I forgot about 3rd being ill. If 3rd cant bat and you have no subs then you have to take an out for the missed batting position. The DP is already in the batting lineup and cannot bat in 2 positions. The flex is a defensive only position and the only position they can bat in is the DP spot. If you have no subs then you have lost a batter and it will be an out every time that spot comes up and is skipped.

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in the case of a ill 3B and a total roster of 10...
couldn't coach have FLEX hit for DP, and thus DP has left game,
and then sub the DP player in for the ill 3B?

result - Ill girl is out of lineup, and your lineup is reduced to 9, but you don't have to take an out when the 3B bat comes up...

corlay said:

in the case of a ill 3B and a total roster of 10...
couldn't coach have FLEX hit for DP, and thus DP has left game,
and then sub the DP player in for the ill 3B?

result - Ill girl is out of lineup, and your lineup is reduced to 9, but you don't have to take an out when the 3B bat comes up...

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No. You can't have a player bat in two different slots in the lineup.