How would you handle this situation. Obstruction related

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Mar 14, 2017
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My father coached HS Softball and was quite successful. For some reason I thought of this play the other night and thought I'd share it. It happened in 1989, so I'm not sure if there are any significant rule changes that may have occurred. (Most likely not.)

We were playing a rival who's coach was know for some pretty bush league tactics. The opposing shortstop had had a major knee surgery the year before and wore one of those huge metal knee braces. In the first inning one of our runners attempted a steal of second. The shortstop would position herself three feet away from second base on the first base side and take the throw and use her knee brace to block anyone sliding into second. (making the tag from one knee 3 feet from 2nd base abruptly stopping anyone who attempted to slide)

A second runner was tagged out on a steal in the same fashion, so it was obviously the technique being taught. My Dad questioned the safety of this as she was using the metal brace to form a collision and because she was so far up the line she was initiating the contact at the beginning of the slide rather than at the end like a catcher blocking the plate. The umpire didn't think it was an issue.

In the third our pitcher, who was a legit bad a__ and a real loose cannon, decided she was going to solve the problem and went in shoulder on shoulder and rolled her Pete Rose vs. Ray Fosse style.

She was tagged out and the umpire was going to eject her, but my Dad said that if the opposing coach was teaching her player to block the base path so players couldn't slide, and putting the SS in an unsafe position, she had to accept that a collision might be the result.

The umpire, who was a poor umpire, decided not to eject her. And not surprisingly, the SS quit blocking the base.


If you were the umpire would you have allowed the player to block second base in this manner?
I'm not sure it was illegal, but it was unsafe to slider and SS, and there really was no advantage defensively to do it. If there was it was minimal compared to risking a surgically repaired knee and potential injuries to the runners.
 
Oct 11, 2010
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Chicago, IL
Ejecting a player is pretty harsh, would rather eject coach.

This is always a hard call IMO, if the fielder does not have ball yet they are not supposed to be in the way. As far as armor goes and using it to her advantage, I think I would need to see it. I would warn and toss coaches until it stopped.
 
Mar 13, 2010
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Columbus, Ohio
If the fielder blocking the base impeded the runner in any way BEFORE she received the ball, then I would call her for obstruction.

If a runner initiated shoulder first contact like that, then I would eject her.
 

MTR

Jun 22, 2008
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If the fielder blocking the base impeded the runner in any way BEFORE she received the ball, then I would call her for obstruction.

Not in 1989. ATR was still in place at that time which could possibly make a difference here
If a runner initiated shoulder first contact like that, then I would eject her.

Yeppers, without hesitation.
 
Sep 14, 2011
768
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Glendale, AZ
What is ATR? How could that be different?

ATR is "About to Receive"

At that time, the Obstruction rule absolved the defensive player of obstruction if she had the ball or was "about to receive" the ball. Defined as the ball being in flight closer to the fielder than the runner is.

With the rule reading this way, there was a large amount of judgment involved on the part of the umpire.
 
Mar 14, 2017
455
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Michigan
This is the thing that puzzled me about it. IMO the SS didn't do anything illegal, but it doesn't "seem right". She blocked the base so far up the line that if you slid where you would normally slide you jammed you knee and ankle, which creates a safety issue. If you slid early enough not to jam your knee or ankle you were well short of the base. If you went in standing up you were likely initiating a collision or out for leaving the BP to avoid the tag.

I would never suggest it, but I could see some coach using a PR to "send a message" and just roll her like our pitcher did. Some scrub from the bench gets ejected, and so what.
 

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