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    HalSkinner: In your post #6 on this subject, the pictures show a hand gripping the ball. But holy crappola !! -- the hand looks like Andre the Giant has changed sports, and is now throwing risers instead of throwing his opponents into the risers.
    The ball looks like an 11" size used by 10u-ers.
    I really think all posts on grips for various pitches should include some consideration for the relatively small hand size of girls. I see Bill Hillhouse talking about emphasis on fingers to spin the ball. I see lots of recommendations for learning a drop to use the peel method. I look at all sorts of grip pictures and realize how irrelevent many are for small handed females. Sure, if you have 5" long fingers, it's a lot easier and more effective to spin the riser, or pull over the top of a peel drop. But let's work thru the realities of who the primary audience is -- PC's and dad's who are trying to develop better pitchers out of their 10-16 yr old clients.
    Same basic argument about delivery techniques, e.g. hiding your grip from the batter. 98% of the batters facing the pitchers who may be looking for advise to improve are not going to identify a pitch and adjust to it by a glimpse of the hand grip in full acceleration. Let's not make a federal case of it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by redhawkridge View Post
    HalSkinner: In your post #6 on this subject, the pictures show a hand gripping the ball. But holy crappola !! -- the hand looks like Andre the Giant has changed sports, and is now throwing risers instead of throwing his opponents into the risers.
    The ball looks like an 11" size used by 10u-ers.
    I really think all posts on grips for various pitches should include some consideration for the relatively small hand size of girls. I see Bill Hillhouse talking about emphasis on fingers to spin the ball. I see lots of recommendations for learning a drop to use the peel method. I look at all sorts of grip pictures and realize how irrelevent many are for small handed females. Sure, if you have 5" long fingers, it's a lot easier and more effective to spin the riser, or pull over the top of a peel drop. But let's work thru the realities of who the primary audience is -- PC's and dad's who are trying to develop better pitchers out of their 10-16 yr old clients.
    Same basic argument about delivery techniques, e.g. hiding your grip from the batter. 98% of the batters facing the pitchers who may be looking for advise to improve are not going to identify a pitch and adjust to it by a glimpse of the hand grip in full acceleration. Let's not make a federal case of it.
    Jim
    Jim, not saying I disagree but let me give you the other perspective... coming from a Hillhouse follower (DD goes to him). My dd wants to be in that 2% not the 98%. And I believe with all the men's fastpitch entering the women's game, that 98% is going to be dropping rapidly as the hitters are trained by the male FASTPITCH guys, not the dad's who played baseball. Ask any of the best hitters in the world (fastpitch) and they will tell you they look for every small way the pitcher "tips" their pitch to get an advantage. So, for the rec ball players I would agree with you. For the ones wanting to enter the big time game later in life, they'd better learn NOW how to stay ahead of where the hitters WILL be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by johngay View Post
    Well I'm late getting in on this thread however I see that I wrote this web page back in 2008 so maybe it will work.

    You can go to Different Grips on my site and not only see the grips but you can read a little explanation of why.

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    Thanks--very informative

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    Those pictures of different grips are from instructional articles out of Softball Illustrated magazines from 1966. Not sure who;se hand it is but it's not mine. Ao, if you or Bill want to complain about those, you are preaching to the choir. Deab a time machine and go back around 50 years or so and complain to them.

    The Bent Fingered rise and the Flat Fingered Knuckleball, those pictures ARE of my hands and 12" balls. If a 10-year-old can hold onto the ball and pitch, it is quite easy to simply move the middle finger over a bit. The bent fingered rise is a different story amnd not near as many 10-year olds will have big enough hands. I would estimate that 1 out of 10 of my 10u students could do it.

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    Screwball....

    To me it looks like it could be for a roll over drop or even possibly a "C" change-up... But grips are grips, they can be anything in my opinion as long as the tight spin desired is achieved....

    Circle Change.... I just had one of my 12U pitchers working on this today. We tried something different for her, and it worked well.

    I had her think of her pinky and thumb as a lobster claw and she pinched the ball between them, then she laid her pointer finger in the position of making an "ok" sign with her hand and then her middle and ring fingers just were laid down gently to rest on the ball, but did not put any pressure on them. She releases it with the "ok" (ring and thumb) going towards the catcher (just opens had at release). I will take some pics and post in a little bit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by drc9805 View Post
    How is the circle change held and released?
    These are not very clear as I took them with my blackberry.... but hope they help.

    circle change 2ed

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    Quote Originally Posted by stemcellsrock View Post
    These are not very clear as I took them with my blackberry.... but hope they help.

    circle change 2ed
    circle change 5ed

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    circle change 3ed

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