halskinner
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- May 7, 2008
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Just watched it again. The ball also appears to be breaking to the outside as well. You are looking at a drop curve motion I think.
Hal
Hal
Dear Boardmember,
It is refreshing to hear someone talk about pitching with your kind of insight- what you said about the roll-drop and the impossibility of realistically pulling down on the front of the ball as it is being released was music to my ears!!!! At the same time it is amazing to me how many kids come to me for lessons who have been taught that pulling down concept and nearly turn themselves inside out trying to throw it that way... coming way forward with their pitching shoulder, etc. Could you agree that the basic difference between a " roll " and a " peel " is that the lift on the back side of the ball ( as you described it previously ) with the " roll " is caused by the fingers being horizontal and on the " peel " the fingers are vertical- as it is being released ?
I would submit to " sjss " that the peel drop should also be thrown with the fingers slightly outside the direct mid-point of the ball which is what should be happening if the thumb is pointing down at 12:00 as the ball is being released. ( If the thumb is at 12:00 at release, the middle finger is at about 4:30 which creates the pressure outside of the direct mid-point of the ball as you have suggested happens on the roll. I think by what you're saying that you would agree that the roll drop release makes it easier to create some sliding action on the ball that you wouldn't necessarily get with a peel !! )“And it's because on the roll drop the fingers can get slightly outside of the direct mid-point of the ball.......”
This sentence sheds more light on the slight difference between the two than all else that has been said. I tell my students to lead the peel with the thumb oriented forward and down. For the rollover, applying more thumb pressure on the ball rotates the thumb in and enhances the “quicker” IR needed for the pitch from the 3 O’clock position through release.