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Apr 12, 2015
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You can show all the videos you want. You'll usually just get nonsense responses along the lines of:

"Oh, she's throwing a drop in that clip, that is why it looks different."
"Oh, that's her rise, that is why it looks different."
"Oh, that's a change up, that is why it looks different."
 
Sep 19, 2018
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You can show all the videos you want. You'll usually just get nonsense responses along the lines of:

"Oh, she's throwing a drop in that clip, that is why it looks different."
"Oh, that's her rise, that is why it looks different."
"Oh, that's a change up, that is why it looks different."

Hey, I've had that conversation!!!

Try some of these. Not all Finch, but the best in the world non the less.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmiG4ji3onQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xsbV1G37LiQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQz7CKn0SS4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6W4xzF-Ht_4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5X86nD_WS4
https://youtu.be/VteVUAXgaGI?t=186
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qPztyxKOGLU
 
Jun 18, 2012
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All, I need some help, please. I'm looking for any video showing her pitching with IR. A local HS is trying to change a student from IR to HE. They are claiming it's how Jennie Finch does it and "she's an Olympian." If I can show them the facts, I may be able to change their thinking with their younger pitchers.
thank you!
CV

This broken record we hear every high school season drives me crazy! Why is it that these coaches feel the need to march up to pitchers who already have pitching coaches and procede to instruct pitchers on how to pitch?! Ignorance on parade!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-PopN7NAVG8
 
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Feb 17, 2014
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Orlando, FL
My DD was an IR queen who deliberately incorporated a high finish. This kept her go to pitch, a 2 seam FB looking like her riseball. But the finish was all for show. Worked a camp with Finch and said with all due respect the woman knew very little about pitching mechanics.
 

marriard

Not lost - just no idea where I am
Oct 2, 2011
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Florida
This broken record we hear every high school season drives me crazy! Why is it that these coaches feel the need to march up to pitchers who already have pitching coaches and procede to instruct pitchers on how to pitch?! Ignorance on parade!

All three pitchers on DD's HS team go to the same very successful pitching coach who doesn't call it IR, but teaches the same principles (or we wouldn't go there). All three play on some of the better travel teams in the state as the #1 pitcher and either have offers or are waiting for their recruiting window to open to get offers.

Our HS coach went out and hired a pitching coach. Not their pitching coach - a different one - one with very little experience. Without telling anyone. Because... you know... that makes sense.

DD spent a couple of hours with her pitching coach discussing the best ways to handle this and going through various scenarios on how to be respectful and hopefully finding a way to make it work.

Day one, new pitching coach tried to do the whole lets warm up with wrist flips and so on. DD is the oldest of the three pitchers and put a stop to it right then and respectfully went through how they warmed up, what each pitcher was working on, why they were working on it and how they were working on it. It went about as well as it could (i.e. not so well), but it was the start of them finally sitting down a couple of weeks later and working through how they could all work together. Over two seasons they actually have developed a good working relationship in calling games as a group. DD is basically the conduit from their pitching lessons to the coach, and she lets HS pitching coach think all the new ideas are theirs, but DD really has total control over the situation. I'll give this pitching coach a lot of credit for not being 1000% stubborn and working it out - it could have gone a lot, lot worse and we were actually expecting that it would.
 
Dec 10, 2015
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Chautauqua County
I emailed the Mom last night and also included Rosey's video. What I suggested pretty much matched up with marriard's thinking. Mom replied that coach wants pitchers 'to throw strikes." It's Modified SB. This level is all about getting players ready for varsity, imo, not winning every game. The real problem is the dearth of good pitching.
 
Feb 17, 2014
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All three pitchers on DD's HS team go to the same very successful pitching coach who doesn't call it IR, but teaches the same principles (or we wouldn't go there). All three play on some of the better travel teams in the state as the #1 pitcher and either have offers or are waiting for their recruiting window to open to get offers.

Our HS coach went out and hired a pitching coach. Not their pitching coach - a different one - one with very little experience. Without telling anyone. Because... you know... that makes sense.

DD spent a couple of hours with her pitching coach discussing the best ways to handle this and going through various scenarios on how to be respectful and hopefully finding a way to make it work.

Day one, new pitching coach tried to do the whole lets warm up with wrist flips and so on. DD is the oldest of the three pitchers and put a stop to it right then and respectfully went through how they warmed up, what each pitcher was working on, why they were working on it and how they were working on it. It went about as well as it could (i.e. not so well), but it was the start of them finally sitting down a couple of weeks later and working through how they could all work together. Over two seasons they actually have developed a good working relationship in calling games as a group. DD is basically the conduit from their pitching lessons to the coach, and she lets HS pitching coach think all the new ideas are theirs, but DD really has total control over the situation. I'll give this pitching coach a lot of credit for not being 1000% stubborn and working it out - it could have gone a lot, lot worse and we were actually expecting that it would.

This is something I struggle with as well. If I'm a HS coach, I know my players before they walk in the door. I want to know what travel team they play for, where they take lessons, etc. Let's say I have an incoming freshman that plays on the Bandits. Why would I mess with this kid and think I can help her? She has to be doing the right things already. Why would I mess that up?

Yes, there are going to be kids in the program that need help. I will help those kids. I don't need to help the juniors who are already committed unless they ask for help.

I don't know if its and ego thing or what.
 
Nov 8, 2018
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Finch finishes high like HE but there is no HE in her release. They are crazy


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marriard

Not lost - just no idea where I am
Oct 2, 2011
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Florida
This is something I struggle with as well. If I'm a HS coach, I know my players before they walk in the door. I want to know what travel team they play for, where they take lessons, etc. Let's say I have an incoming freshman that plays on the Bandits. Why would I mess with this kid and think I can help her? She has to be doing the right things already. Why would I mess that up?

I don't know if its and ego thing or what.

Oh in this case it is totally an ego thing. HS Coach has known almost all the players on the HS team since they were 8 or 9 years old. There is also the whole HS is so much more important and better than travel thing as well (openly despises travel) - rather than understanding that in our case it is just different (We are in an area where we can play a schedule that has 8-10 teams that are as good as any travel team you will find including us and there are some hugely intense games that feature teams full of current and future college commits or underclass likely commits).

But he is not alone - most of the competition has the same issue. Two can't coach but illegally recruit. Two run private school programs that legally recruit. At least four or five win on talent despite their coaching. 2 of them aren't bad, and 2 are regularly saved by their assistant coaches who are actually really good coaches.

And then one coach is awesome. He coaches travel as well so all the other HS coaches despise him on principle- and he out coaches them all game after game.

We were running our umpire clinic for one coach during a pre-season intra-squad scrimmage and he was complaining that he "Didn't understand what the travel coaches were doing. These incoming girls have terrible mechanics" as he demanded one of the best hitters in the country "Squish the bug", another that she needed to "get rid of that baseball swing" and one of the best fielders to stop throwing 'that way' whatever that meant.

He always talks about all his Class X coach of the year awards and multiple state championships... of course he has always had P5 pitchers (sometimes 2 on the team) and P5 3-4-5 batters through his entire tenure and the first year we played them he has 2 mid-D1 commits on the bench who didn't play that much. And he played in a mid-size school class for states until they forced his school to move up. Even I can roll the ball out there and get out of the way and win with that talent.
 
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