Could explain why the first couple of changeup per game are a swing and miss and the rest of the game they are groundouts. She will be untucked next game and see what happens. Thanks!
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Could explain why the first couple of changeup per game are a swing and miss and the rest of the game they are groundouts. She will be untucked next game and see what happens. Thanks!
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Can you throw a horsehoe CU using IR? Doesn't make sense to me to avoid HE teaching (push the ball down the circle), only to now go back to it once a pitcher is ready to add a CU to her arsenal.
From an efficiency POV (both mechanical, and as a matter of instruction), I would want as many pitches as possible using the same arm circle, arm speed, and hand orientation as possible.
(Disclaimer: Still learning to pitch myself - I've mastered the "bounce in the dirt and take out their ankles" pitch. Moving on to "hit the bull" pitch next...)
From an efficiency POV (both mechanical, and as a matter of instruction), I would want as many pitches as possible using the same arm circle, arm speed, and hand orientation as possible.
(Disclaimer: Still learning to pitch myself - I've mastered the "bounce in the dirt and take out their ankles" pitch. Moving on to "hit the bull" pitch next...)
Next up is the change-up 10 feet over the net. It's pretty awesome.
Every time I throw one I remind myself how impressive our daughter pitchers are.
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fanboi22
on the journey
Have been working with DD on trying to get consistent with the ‘flip’ change. There was a thread a while ago defining what a flip change was and the fact it probably really wasn’t a ‘flip’. More of what people may call a horseshoe.
In any case, as I tried to accomplish this pitch on my own I realized that my elbow was popping out more as I tried to get my hand around into position to release on the flip while keeping the tenants of IR in tact. It was very difficult to get a rotation on the arm and get the thumb to the hip. So I thought of a way to make it easier to twist. I straightened my arm, essentially making it easier to twist the arm around to release the ball. Maybe it was said somewhere before but I probably missed it.
DD has had pretty good success so far in practice by just straightening her arm to help in the flip rotation. She has not changed anything else about her IR approach so it seems pretty intuitive to work on. Pretty dead spin ball but really accurate and quite a bit slower than fastball.
Curious if anyone else has gotten success with a straighter arm flip change? I had always read where you need to get the thumb in to accomplish the flip, but this by far has been the easiest way to get that to happen.
In any case, as I tried to accomplish this pitch on my own I realized that my elbow was popping out more as I tried to get my hand around into position to release on the flip while keeping the tenants of IR in tact. It was very difficult to get a rotation on the arm and get the thumb to the hip. So I thought of a way to make it easier to twist. I straightened my arm, essentially making it easier to twist the arm around to release the ball. Maybe it was said somewhere before but I probably missed it.
DD has had pretty good success so far in practice by just straightening her arm to help in the flip rotation. She has not changed anything else about her IR approach so it seems pretty intuitive to work on. Pretty dead spin ball but really accurate and quite a bit slower than fastball.
Curious if anyone else has gotten success with a straighter arm flip change? I had always read where you need to get the thumb in to accomplish the flip, but this by far has been the easiest way to get that to happen.
This should be fun.
I think most good change-ups are thrown the way Cory Kluber throws his off-speed curve. No grip change is needed.
Basically, you just don't want your fingers pushing the ball (which is a big speed multiplier). Get the fingers to the side and working around the front of the ball and you are in business. You can IR all you want with no problem.
Kluber sez: "I hold my curveball almost the exact same way that I hold my fastball...It's just a matter of manipulating my hand into a slightly different position during the release...with my fastball, I am trying to keep my two fingers behind the ball...with the curveball it's almost the opposite. At the end of the release try and get your hand in front of the ball..."
I would pass on the "Flip" and work with Kluber's cue. Work along the side with the mental image of rolling around and slightly under the ball.
Here is an article where Cory explains
www.12up.com
I think most good change-ups are thrown the way Cory Kluber throws his off-speed curve. No grip change is needed.
Basically, you just don't want your fingers pushing the ball (which is a big speed multiplier). Get the fingers to the side and working around the front of the ball and you are in business. You can IR all you want with no problem.
Kluber sez: "I hold my curveball almost the exact same way that I hold my fastball...It's just a matter of manipulating my hand into a slightly different position during the release...with my fastball, I am trying to keep my two fingers behind the ball...with the curveball it's almost the opposite. At the end of the release try and get your hand in front of the ball..."
I would pass on the "Flip" and work with Kluber's cue. Work along the side with the mental image of rolling around and slightly under the ball.
Here is an article where Cory explains
Corey Kluber Describes How He Throws His Curveball and It's Awesome
Arguably the nastiest pitch in baseball is Corey Kluber's curveball. I'm sorry, but it's got video game movement and I can't believe any batter can actually...
www.12up.com
fanboi22
on the journey
Thanks for the link.This should be fun.
I think most good change-ups are thrown the way Cory Kluber throws his off-speed curve. No grip change is needed.
Basically, you just don't want your fingers pushing the ball (which is a big speed multiplier). Get the fingers to the side and working around the front of the ball and you are in business. You can IR all you want with no problem.
Kluber sez: "I hold my curveball almost the exact same way that I hold my fastball...It's just a matter of manipulating my hand into a slightly different position during the release...with my fastball, I am trying to keep my two fingers behind the ball...with the curveball it's almost the opposite. At the end of the release try and get your hand in front of the ball..."
I would pass on the "Flip" and work with Kluber's cue. Work along the side with the mental image of rolling around and slightly under the ball.
Here is an article where Cory explains
Corey Kluber Describes How He Throws His Curveball and It's Awesome
Arguably the nastiest pitch in baseball is Corey Kluber's curveball. I'm sorry, but it's got video game movement and I can't believe any batter can actually...
When you say slightly under the ball, i am not sure what you are referring to? If my hand is under the ball, that seems more like a curveball.
I understand Kluber's cue, it is more of the question on how to actually do it. With a normal arm bend and IR it seemed very difficult to actually get the hand/fingers to the outside without slowing down the arm speed. It just seemed like straightening the arm allowed the fingers to get to the outside easier without changing anything else. Otherwise i am just not sure how to achieve the proper hand/finger location at release to accomplish a significantly slower speed change up. I tried to watch Yukiko Ueno as well and she seems to keep all the band and her elbow really shoots out after release. Just want to make sure we are on the right path before spending too much time on it.
thanks again.
This is a great one to look at. When you freeze frame at release the hand is at a horseshoe facing downward. Then she continues to work the fingers around the the ball trying to "get her hand in front of the ball". "Slightly under" is just before you turn around the ball. It usually has a little side and tumble spin.
Slightly under probably not the best description I could give. The ball sometimes needs just a little lift or when you come around it you may throw it into the ground. That's what meant.
Just give it a try. Tell you DD the goal is to make sure her fingers are not behind the ball pushing when she releases but along the side. Explain that the fingers behind the ball push it and give it speed. Have her work along the side of the ball with the goal to get your hand in front of the ball.
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I like the cup-o-water, horseshoe, circle changes with an emphasis on stiffening up the fingers and wrist and letting the ball roll off the pinky finger to add drop spin. Try to brush the backside of the thumb. You can try a cue of leading with the knuckles and wrist cocked up and push the ball with the thumb.
