Detachment and timing. Is 3:00 absolute?

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Nov 25, 2012
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As we are rehashing this topic of detachment and timing along with the recent discussion and review of the "Queen" device I'm curious once again about the ideas raised by jryan about glute vs quad dominance in the thread about Fixing Sprinters Posture... https://www.discussfastpitch.com/softball-pitching/30687-fixing-sprinters-posture-using-foot-hyperarch-mechanic.html There's video and discussion about this same issue of detachment on page 8. In one of our last sessions with Java this exact issue about detachment and timing came up and it's currently a focus. Having a strong core and hip thrust involved with a good leg push so that the athlete really creates that energy and "glides" off the pitching rubber is what it seems we're after. Given Doug's comments above about stride vs thrust dominance being a big issue (which I agree with) I think we are almost all seeing the same thing and that 2:30 to 3:30 is the ideal Happy Hour for detaching from the rubber.

My question is what's the best way to go from theory to reality in the circle? Currently working on it and open to any and all suggestions that can help with the journey!

Tatonka, first thanks for posting! I will let Coach James talk about the Queen as he is having some success and I am following closely. In regards to the previous post on this topic thank you for letting me know and I had forgotten that it had been discussed. I went back and looked at the thread and remember it very well although had forgotten about the detachment part. I am not a doctor and know nothing about the hyperarch theory, glute vs. quad dominance, etc. etc. Well, that's not true as I have tried to understand it on this site so I am aware. But not a believer and will leave it at that. Java tried to provide advice which I agreed with, it was not taken, so be it.

Anyway, I don't want to comment on other people's DD's. However, I was never a fan of that thread or several other threads that discussed it. I always and still do feel like it more of a timing issue than anything else. Again, not a doctor, don't know medical conditions, etc. etc. so won't speak to them.

That said, if someone sent me that video (only shows lower half) or asked me to look at their DD I would immediatley say it was a timing issue and let's fix that. If you look at the video look at the stride foot. It is moving forward, not bearing weight, WELL BEFORE the arm ever swings back. The body is so far in front of the arm it can't recover. IMO, if someone sent me this and said they had read everything on DFP, Drive Mechanics, etc. I would say you took OVERLAP way way way too far and you don't understand it. Overlap is real but OVER overlap is also real and that is what I am seeing.

Below are some pics of one of my favorite pitchers of all time, Delanie Gourley. Look at her stride foot. It bears weight, stretches, but does not leave the ground until the arm is back. She still has overlap as she moves forward and the right definition of overlap IMO. If you look at frame or picture 1, just picture 1, her arm is where the girls arm is in the video but the girls stride foot is already off the ground and moving forward. Again, that is just frame 1! TIMING IMHO.

In regards to your question, how to go from theory to reality? I think some suggestions are forthcoming!

Best!

S3

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Tatonka,

One more thing regarding the post above. I remember reading the thread very well and it actually hit me fairly hard as it was EXACTLY where my DD was 5 years ago. She looked exactly like that. And I mean EXACTLY. That said, I realized I had taken the subject of overlap way too far. It took me forever to figure it out and I also taught it to my DD2. Only after did I realize what it was and that it was all about timing which blends well with this thread. I thank you for bringing it up and will leave my previous post and this one with another example similar to Delanie's from Blair who I posted before as we discuss the subject of overlap and the stride foot.
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okay, last one as we discuss overlap a bit..... truly my favorite pitcher in college ball today. Who is ready??????? It starts now!!

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Dec 5, 2012
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Yeah.... I gotta admit I do love watchin me some Garcia...

Ive reached out to her a few times with no success. I want to know if her slicing pitches (that have what people call bullet spin) is actually YAW. I want to know if she purposefully YAW's her pitch or is it a happy accident?

Sorry, I know that's a bit of a hyjack
 
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Yeah.... I gotta admit I do love watchin me some Garcia...

Ive reached out to her a few times with no success. I want to know if her slicing pitches (that have what people call bullet spin) is actually YAW. I want to know if she purposefully YAW's her pitch or is it a happy accident?

Sorry, I know that's a bit of a hyjack

no hyjack at all and please share if you get a reply! Tried to set DVR to record ALL Rachel Garcia games. DVR didn't recognize Rachel Garcia :confused: LOL. guess I should just type in UCLA even though I really just want to watch her :D
 
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Garcia's thrust motion and drive leg extension by "approx" 3 o'clock is all there! And Coach James her spin control is impressive so it's hard to believe she's repeating the "happy accident" accidentally. ;-)
 
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Garcia's thrust motion and drive leg extension by "approx" 3 o'clock is all there! And Coach James her spin control is impressive so it's hard to believe she's repeating the "happy accident" accidentally. ;-)

I don't mean her spin is a happy accident... I'm referring to the YAW she gets... I want to know if it's intentional

She doesn't get back spin on her rise...its bullet. This is a result of her palm orientation facing the catcher at release... However the "large bullet dot" as seen by the catcher is actually an axis point that is angled upward. If this dot were in the middle of the ball, the YAW wouldn't be effective and the ball wouldn't maintain the upward trajectory. I want to know if this axis angle is on purpose?

https://www.discussfastpitch.com/softball-pitching/34074-rachel-garcia.html
 
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Sorry that's what I meant, I was referring to her yaw also...for sure her spin is not accidental!
 

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