Pitch Calling - Important?

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May 17, 2012
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Gunner - I appreciate your opinion but I think you are jumping to conclusions about what lead to this post. And stating that there is zero chance of something? C'mon, open your mind to the possibility that not everyone does it as well as you must. And, I am really not understanding what you mean by the "eye-ball test" or "guy instinct" here??

I am saying that if you use wristbands properly that there is no issue with the "pace of the game". If anything we are too fast and we need to slow down the pitcher. If a team isn't using the wristbands properly that is a separate issue.

With regards to the "eye ball test" and "gut instinct" that goes to the heart of pitch calling and it's effectiveness. What does it really mean to "call pitches"? If coach/pitcher/catcher notices that a player is standing to close to the plate they should bust her with a screwball or a fastball inside right? Sometimes you see that chart floating around this site and others about how to "attack a batter" based on their swing or where they stand in the box, etc. This is nonsense. This assumes that your pitcher has 5 pitches that they can throw to various locations and various speeds. Ask a pitchers parent and of course they have all 5 pitches. As a coach you know this isn't true so why attack a batter with the pitchers third best pitch based on your "eye test"? It's silly.

If you have credible data on a batter tendencies (because you have seen them so much) than adjust accordingly. Short of that go with what your pitchers does best. If she is a drop-ball pitcher throw the damn drop-ball. You can throw it high/low in/out, whatever...that's the extent you are calling pitches. Mix in some change-ups and be done with it.

I have never heard a parent complain that we threw an outside drop-ball instead of an inside-drop ball. Instead it's "you should have had Suzy throw a rise-ball to #23 as she as a loop in her swing". Does Suzy even throw a real rise ball? Didn't you notice we retired the previous 7 batters with ground balls because we kept throwing the drop?

No one complains about the pitch calling when you win.
 

marriard

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Oct 2, 2011
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My DD is guesting for a team for New England's Finest in a couple of weeks.

She just got off a call with the coach she is playing for where they discussed for at least 30 minutes how she pitches. Things like best pitch, goto pitch, pitch sequences, what to go to if things are not working, etc, etc. They went over one of her current wristbands she uses for her current team and how she attacks batters. To me this is a great sign that she has got onto a team that will work out, and is what you should be looking for.

Travel: Her coaches and the battery are a complete team effort. 4th season together so while it might look like the coaches are 'robo' calling pitches, they are so much on the same page it is only a couple of times per weekend that my DD or her catcher will shake off a call.

HS: My DD basically trained the 'pitching coach' to call what she wanted called. It was a rough first 1/2 of the season, but they got there right at playoffs and now they are all buddy-buddy for this coming season.
 
Dec 2, 2017
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I am saying that if you use wristbands properly that there is no issue with the "pace of the game". If anything we are too fast and we need to slow down the pitcher. If a team isn't using the wristbands properly that is a separate issue.

With regards to the "eye ball test" and "gut instinct" that goes to the heart of pitch calling and it's effectiveness. What does it really mean to "call pitches"? If coach/pitcher/catcher notices that a player is standing to close to the plate they should bust her with a screwball or a fastball inside right? Sometimes you see that chart floating around this site and others about how to "attack a batter" based on their swing or where they stand in the box, etc. This is nonsense. This assumes that your pitcher has 5 pitches that they can throw to various locations and various speeds. Ask a pitchers parent and of course they have all 5 pitches. As a coach you know this isn't true so why attack a batter with the pitchers third best pitch based on your "eye test"? It's silly.

If you have credible data on a batter tendencies (because you have seen them so much) than adjust accordingly. Short of that go with what your pitchers does best. If she is a drop-ball pitcher throw the damn drop-ball. You can throw it high/low in/out, whatever...that's the extent you are calling pitches. Mix in some change-ups and be done with it.

I have never heard a parent complain that we threw an outside drop-ball instead of an inside-drop ball. Instead it's "you should have had Suzy throw a rise-ball to #23 as she as a loop in her swing". Does Suzy even throw a real rise ball? Didn't you notice we retired the previous 7 batters with ground balls because we kept throwing the drop?

No one complains about the pitch calling when you win.





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Dec 2, 2017
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What is the best way to use the wristbands. My DD just moved up to from 12 to 14. In 12u she just picked a corner and threw fastball and had pretty good success. Now she needs to to mix in change and I think her drop is getting close to game ready as well.


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sluggers

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May 26, 2008
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In the 20+ years I coached, I always let the pitchers/catchers call the games. They never came to me and said it was too hard or too stressful.

If I didn't like what they were doing, we would talk about it. But, that was pretty rare.

Calling pitches isn't exactly rocket science.

Batters hit mistakes in execution, not conceptual mistakes. It doesn't matter what a pitcher throws in college or TB if the pitch is on the edge of the zone.
 
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May 17, 2012
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I can't recall the last time I saw a pitcher call her own game exclusively.

I also can't recall the last time I saw a catcher call a whole game exclusively. I have seen it before though but it is rare. Sometimes you see this in blowouts or the coach gets ejected/distracted...
 
Apr 6, 2017
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I as a parent like to see the catcher/pitcher call pitches. let them play the game. It looks a little controlling when the coach calls. I'm
Pretty sure the kids would rather do it.
 
Mar 23, 2014
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When DDs team went dark, her catcher and her picked up with another team.... they worked together and the catcher called the game.
On her regular team, coach calls pitches. He calls a good game but has been doing it for 30 years.

The problem with typical coach pitch calling....is everything as everyone has stated. What chaps my hide...when a coach calls a pitch the pitcher doesn’t throw or when they call the same pitching sequence regardless of batter or situation.

Pitch calling is becoming a lost art.
 
Apr 28, 2014
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DD's HS coach is adamant about calling pitches and will not allow a shake off. He also takes about a minute to get a pitch call in. That is a lifetime when a game is flowing quickly. DD is a better pitcher when the pace is fast... That said her HS coach is outstanding at pitch calling and tracks every pitch.
 
May 23, 2015
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I can't recall the last time I saw a pitcher call her own game exclusively.

I also can't recall the last time I saw a catcher call a whole game exclusively. I have seen it before though but it is rare. Sometimes you see this in blowouts or the coach gets ejected/distracted...

That's the only way that my teams work. Pitcher and catcher figure it out on their own. If I see a conflict we discuss it between innings. Taco Joe sitting on a bucket will teach a player nothing
 

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