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One thing is for certain..... I can't afford any of them:(

Obviously not taylored for a bucket Mom or Dad purchase and wish there was something affordable I could pick up. Wait, there is!!!!!!!! RevFire 2!! Wait, actually not....:(

I know, I know, coming soon...... So many great things are coming soon..... unfortunately my definition of SOON is not the same as others...
 

shaker1

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The PitchFX system uses three cameras.

This system uses one. Using one camera doesn't seem to produce valid data. I've got huge doubts that this device works.

The data doesn't make any sense. Look at the data for O'Toole. Her riseball has a spin of 1089 RPM, which is less than 20 RPS. The ball moves 2.9 inches up (again, we all know that this mean "above where the ball would be if it were thrown without any spin). She throws a curveball with even less spin and the ball moves up 3.5 inches.

Look at the Gorley data for fastball vs. drop ball. She throws a 62 MPH fastball, with 1415 RPM and gets .1 drop and 4 inches horizontal break. She throws a drop as the same speed, with 10% more spin, and suddenly the ball drops 2.1 inches, and a 4 inch horizontal break. That is a 2000% improvement...which is completely absurd.


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I can't figure out how the guy who wrote the article came up with his conclusions. I can't figure how he came up with the movement chart.

I agree with you on Otoole's data, doesn't make sense, especially with his comment about perfect backspin on her rise. Should be better than the curve. The difference between Gurleys drop and fastball could be bullet vs dropspin. Most pitches I've seen of hers in slowmotion is bulletspin.
 

shaker1

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But Ray (and I'm not disagreeing with you here) the analysis is at least based on quantifiable data and leads to some conclusions which seem to be in line with what most of us would assume. Yes, there can be additional factors influencing this movement as well. Seems to me that technology is bringing us closer. Perhaps the next step would be to find a way to overlay another set of data/values on each pitch to account for these other factors?




Yep, technology is bringing us closer to the truth of spin, speed, movement. Just glad to see one arm of it is reaching out to the softball community. Rapsodo, or something similar will find its way into hitting / pitching facilities all over the country. Could be the next big thing in scouting. College coaches will be looking at data sheets along with pitching and hitting videos. Found a couple of guys that are getting some use out of it already,
https://rapsodo.com/coach-mike-white-oregon/
https://youtu.be/uADwmdajpLc
 
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sluggers

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. College coaches will be looking at data sheets along with pitching and hitting videos. Found a couple of guys that are getting some use out of it already,

Pay someone enough money and they'll endorse anything.
 

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